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Post by finishline4 on Aug 23, 2010 9:22:10 GMT -5
That was kind of dissappointing. only twelve late models saturday night. They've had fourteen a couple of times and that is not too bad, but twelve is not enough for a field.
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Post by schaefferoilguy on Aug 23, 2010 10:30:41 GMT -5
And its going to get worse! A few teams have quit running there and going up to Potomac on Friday nights and Winchester on Saturday nights. Purses are double and sometimes triple what they can get at Delmar. A couple of teams are following the Three State Flyers Series which pays minimum $3000 to win and $300 to start with open tire rule!
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Post by ogbracin on Aug 23, 2010 14:12:58 GMT -5
Hopefully these guy's stay with there guns because all the pay out's except maybe the BB in delmar is horrible and not fair to us that help make the show happen..... My Opinion
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Post by holla4dirtracing on Aug 23, 2010 19:43:04 GMT -5
for only 12 late models it was a damm good finish.....holla
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Post by ubugme19 on Aug 23, 2010 19:44:02 GMT -5
They are paying $1500 and up for regular show purses for steel motors in the Carolinas. Charlie needs to up the LM purses for sure. If there was a bridge between the Bay Bridge and Bay Bridge Tunnel VMS would run DIS out of the LM business....IMO
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Post by aroundwego on Aug 23, 2010 20:02:06 GMT -5
You need fans to show up to make the purse bigger. Just look around the stands they are empty.
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Post by schaefferoilguy on Aug 23, 2010 21:37:43 GMT -5
And you need more cars to draw more fans! Kind of a dual edged sword isn't it!
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Post by ogbracin on Aug 24, 2010 7:21:28 GMT -5
For his payout's he should just have 2 class's of latemodels. crate 1's and crate 2's... crate 1's would run the 604's and I believe most of the guy's in the area would probably do this if he kept purse the same as the slm. Then the crate 2's (602) he could up the purse's plus this could give some of the better crate guy's that can't afford to run slm a chance to move up with out spending alot to do so also..... could work
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Post by powerstroke351 on Aug 24, 2010 7:24:00 GMT -5
if he only had two crate classes... trust me the stands would be empty.... there might of been 12 cars there the other night.... but the fans come to see the main event... and the main event is 800 hp..... not 350 and 400 hp
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Post by mddirtfan on Aug 24, 2010 9:02:30 GMT -5
I may be completely wrong saying this, but speaking from a fans point of view, isnt dirt track racing considered a hobby by those that do it on a local basis? I know the money is very important, as it is with just about anything, but if a person takes on a hobby, be it fishing or racing, if you cant afford it, you dont do it. People spend thousands of dollars on fishing equipment and a boat to go do what they like to do. Catching fish is the objective and a bonus when you do. Same as racing in my view, the racers do what they like to do, fans like myself come out every week to watch them do what they like to do, and any money they make doing it is kinda like a bonus. Unless, of course, you do this for a living, which i dont think that happens much on a local level. I really enjoy watching the races, and have done so for over 40 years at various tracks around the eastern US. I would have liked to get in a car to do it myself, but I couldnt afford to do it, so i didnt. I hope I am not being out of line thinking this way. I just hate the thought of not having a venue locally where I can go do what i like to do every week, and thats watch some of the best dirt track racing I have ever seen by some of the best drivers I have ever seen doing it. Thank you to all the race teams for putting on a great show for us fans each and every week. We appreciate all that you do, if it means anything.
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Post by finishline4 on Aug 24, 2010 11:47:40 GMT -5
I see what you are saying, but racing is a hobby to a person when they go on saturday night and watch. when somebody goes out there and competes, it's more than a hobby.
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Post by brasure on Aug 24, 2010 12:15:37 GMT -5
you know if any the racers in the super late and the big block mods are in it for the money your going in the hole any how there is no money to be made at the end of the yr unless you run world of outlaws maybe . racing is a hobby and for the thril of racing and competition you will spend what ever it takes to win i have spent a ton on a little lincoln .. but charlie has the best track around here bar none and has the LOWEST entry fees anywhere .. may not pay alot but its in your back yard and no traveling fees ,tolls, ive been to near every race at dis since i was born im 32 now and i my self have not missed a race in 16 yrs so if they have 9 cars or 90 ll be there ..thanks charlie cathell ... brasure #0 little lincoln hey we have 15 cars on average every show we get 45.00 for first or last we ain't griping yet . i am not racing for money .. look at the gokart guys next door they are spending near as much if not more then a crate car they aint complaining ..
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Post by lumberjack on Aug 24, 2010 12:59:08 GMT -5
There is no reason that the money couldn't have been increased. I understand times are tight and fan count may be down, however, as a business the track cannot be losing money or the gates would stay closed.Unless the piggy bank is still full. How good must it have been in the past? I can remember full stands and pits. I agree it is somewhat of a hobby but unlike fishing, people come and see a show for money, so somewhat it isn't. Something is going to have to change, and it will. I am happy that we have a place to race, but the track owner doesn't do it for the same reason as the rest of us.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ You have to feed the lion in the cage enough or maybe he will bite your hand sometime?
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Post by powerstroke351 on Aug 24, 2010 14:08:13 GMT -5
well looks like money doesnt bring many more cars... potomac's memorial payed $2500 to win last weekend and got 16 cars... so double the money and only 4 more cars... i will stay and watch 12 cars race in my back yard rather than drive to potomac to see 16.... JMO
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Post by ogbracin on Aug 24, 2010 14:57:21 GMT -5
Good point lumberjack!!!! Bottom line is charlie's gonna do what he wants, I have heard he's selling the track, getting rid of the speedway blah blah blah...... If any of this was true why hasn't it been done yet.... I can tell you why he needs us just as much as we need him.... All the racer's are asking for is to be fair with the purse's thru out the field and all the driver's want this that run weekly some are just more vocal about it than others... How would you feel if you run a so called special event for the fan's and got less money for it what's wrong with that picture it's ass backwards.....Like the wing shows some of those wing's are 2000.00 to 3000.00 to fabricate and then get 1200.00 for the win because he's made it a point show event "WHY" Twin 20's pay 50 to make green that's a slap in the face..... Let's don't even bring up the point avg. thing but let these guy's run a 8 lap heat race and stress these 30,000 to 40,000 dollar motors and then set field for the feature by the point avg. hahahahahaha I think these guy's should get more respect than what they get.... "JUST BE FAIR CHARLIE THAT'S ALL ANYBODY'S ASKING"..........
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Post by finishline4 on Aug 24, 2010 18:30:41 GMT -5
potomac only gets 9 or 10 cars on average though. what i'm saying is that charlie is losing what he has and he needs to do something different. by the way, we could have another track in our back yard, a better one, IF SOME OF THE LOCALS WOULD ACTUALLY SUPPORT GEORGETOWN!!
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Post by 1969racing on Aug 24, 2010 18:52:37 GMT -5
This thread has opened a whole bunch of cans of worms. We are really fortunate to have DIS as a regular weekly place to participate in or watch races. When the talk of money starts on this issue the end is probably near. My dad used to always say "hell, 2 cars can be a good race if they are evenly matched." And no locals do not support Georgetown like they do Delmar and haven't since the early to mid seventies. I attend Delmar every chance that I get and have since about 1969 or 1970. I am just happy to have a local place to go watch dirt races. quiturpregnant dogin and support your support by attending and supporting.. JMO......
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Post by finishline4 on Aug 24, 2010 19:59:09 GMT -5
how can you say all the locals support georgetown. they have about seven or eight locals every race and because of it, they only have about twelve to fourteen cars per event.
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Post by 1969racing on Aug 24, 2010 20:21:16 GMT -5
Sorry, I forgot the comma! It reads; And no, locals do not support Georgetown like they do Delmar. Sorry.....
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Post by colby25 on Aug 25, 2010 7:08:12 GMT -5
(MY OPINION) I have to agree with LunmberJack and Ogbracin. Us crate classes have 20 to 30 cars pretty much every weekend and we get paid $25 bucks to take the green. But, the vintage cars get $45 bucks everytime they show up no matter where they finish. Now thats a slap in the face. U dont make $45 dollars in our class unless you finish 7th or better, thats crazy. Delmar is a great place to race facility wise. If use racers stick together things will change.
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Post by aroundwego on Aug 26, 2010 19:13:41 GMT -5
All of you bashing charlie and his track should get together and buy it then run it your way. Then you will see he is not getting rich. So when you own it next year can we see the crates run for 1200 to win and the supers run for 5000 each week?
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Post by 1969racing on Aug 26, 2010 22:08:25 GMT -5
Thank you aroundwego, well said!!!
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Post by ogbracin on Aug 27, 2010 8:23:21 GMT -5
It's funny how people get so up tight and take things to a whole other level, So if that's what you want to do then let's do it. How bout this it's pretty obvious that the support classes are supporting this place now and have been for some time you have 30 crate mods every week, you have any where from 20 to 30 crate late's and the mod lite's have around 20. Now do the math on the avg and it's not everyone but I'm sure it's most pay anywhere from 150.00 to 500.00 to race each nite, that includes fuel, and paying for yourself and crew to get into the pit's that's not counting food or drink's for the evening. So I guess getting 25.00 back to make green is fair "rite" probably in your eye's because you pay to watch...... Mind you this is just what the supporting classes pay I'm sure the BB/SLM are anywhere from 500.00 to 1500.00 with the cost of there fuel and pit help probably more. This is not counting anyone that comes in to just watch the race's...........So when you say he (Charlie) is not making any money think before you speak. Look no one said pay the crate's 1200 to win or the late's 5000 to win all we are saying is pay better thru the field, up the ante to make the green, pay a little more thru out the field and for these special race's or don't make them a point event were the people that are running for point's have to run there equipment. Those wing shows are hard on those motor's and I believe there has been a few car's BB and SLM that have lost motor's running that nuts then the boot not pay any extra thru the field or for the win.... It's not fair!!!! It's really not about getting a return in our investment's because at the end of the day we all as driver owner's or the owner's lose out the ass and a ton of money every single week we pull in there, and I'm sorry that the people that think Charlie is the best thing since bottle water don't see what every owner/driver see's and deal's with. I will say this we do what we do because we love it, and yes Charlie has a nice facility to host weekly race's but I would bet that if someone bought G-Town and do what it takes to make that track work I truly believe dirt racing would stop in delmar......... If Bridgeport would run weekly latemodel and crate latemodel race's the field's would be cut in half and with a field of 10/12 latemodels that would leave 5/6 that would be a hell of a feature to watch.......... I would also bet that Charlie doesn't miss to many opportunities to go out to eat or pinch penny's to do what ever he does because he not making any money boohoo boohoo boohoo!!!!! THAT"S FUNNY!!!!!
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Post by badboy on Aug 27, 2010 8:58:34 GMT -5
Let me tell you all when locals do not support Georgetown ( THAT PAY MORE MONEY THAN DELMAR) They do not care about money. So don't tell me they want Charlie to be fair.... You want to come on here to BeOuch. so now go to Georgetown and race for FAIR MONEY
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Post by ogbracin on Aug 27, 2010 13:58:16 GMT -5
Bad boy I have raced at and supported g-town every show since I got back into racing so not sure who that was intended for but I do agree with you. I raced there when I ran year's ago when they ran on Friday nite's and believe me g-town was better than Delmar then for the money, and racing..... If they could do it back then they alt to be able to do it now...
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Post by badboy on Aug 27, 2010 15:25:41 GMT -5
It was not directed at any Georgetown supporters. It is directed at the non supporter and they know who they are. Thanks at least you are not stupid enough to turn down money for you race team when it is offered
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Post by finishline4 on Aug 27, 2010 17:06:17 GMT -5
i agree a lot with ogbracin. people are wrapped around charlie's finger. i'm not saying the place is not good, but it just has some room for improvement. And i think you guys need to support g-town cause if REALLY are a racing fan, you'll want that place to do well.
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Post by ubugme19 on Aug 27, 2010 23:15:45 GMT -5
What is Charlie's overhead? The track has been paid for many many many times over. Look around on sat. night. Everyone paid to get in. All the cars on the track paid to race and their crews paid to get in. Look at the sponsor bill boards down the back stretch, look at the line at the concession stand. Do you really think he is that strapped for cash? I will give him all the credit in the world for the facilities. They are top notch for dirt tracks anywhere. The track surface is one of the best on the east coast. But I think he could stand to pay $100 a lap to win for the BBM's and the SLM's. Thats only $2500 for a 25 lap race.
I'd bet any amount of money that the car count in both classes would skyrocket if he did that. The problem is that he has no direct competition. Where are the LM's going to go? Hagerstown? VMS? Thats a long tow to race for $2000. BBM's go to B'port? New Egypt? Again a long way to tow for a couple grand and stiffer competition. The beauty of back in the days of G'town on Friday night and Delmar on Saturday was the guys would tow down on Friday and stay the night and race at Delmar on Sat. It worked out good for both tracks. Then "she who's name will not be spoken" took over G'town and started a bunch of crap between the 2 tracks and the drivers and, well you all know how that worked out.
It can be done if Jay can get G'town back weekly and NOT alternate weeks with LM's and BBM's. Run the modifieds, LM's and alternate the crates. Maybe a division like the old thundercars so normal people can race too. We can only hope.
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Post by schaefferoilguy on Aug 28, 2010 9:44:39 GMT -5
Good post ubugme19!
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Post by aroundwego on Aug 28, 2010 12:41:34 GMT -5
lets see there is the power bill, taxes, fuel, chemicals for the track, employees, up keep on all the equipment, insurance, just to name a few. The other thing would anyone on here work all week to just break even if so i have a job for you.
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