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Post by itsmydime10 on Oct 28, 2009 15:44:31 GMT -5
Feel free two list ONLY rules that should be addressed or should be in place so they can get ready for 2010 you know they read this let's organize our concerns please only concerns not this person or that person
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Post by tnracer on Oct 28, 2009 15:59:46 GMT -5
It sounds as if you would rather put more fuel to the fire. But may you be seccessful at organizing & expressing your true concerns like the adults you all are...right? I would hate to see another small track fall by the wayside. Buck had a lot of emotion & energy in to former DMP.
Pam Buckholz
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Post by itsmydime10 on Oct 28, 2009 16:01:42 GMT -5
1) Fighting on of track with cars or physical automatic 3weeks out both parties at the race Directors discretion if both should be suspend no "WARNINGS" the rule is the warning!!
2) If you are black flagged and do not get of track in 1 lap 0 pts for night 1 week suspension at race director dissection
3)I don't think you should be sent to rear if you hit the cones I really think that rule is crazy and seems the only one that gets followed
4)if you jump start twice you are sent to rear
5)The pits are getting dangerous their are cars everywhere instead of staging lane it is terrible (and my team is guilty of this to this has to stop )
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Post by DMP SUPPORTER on Oct 28, 2009 16:41:57 GMT -5
1) physical contact with another person-911 called-banned for 3 consecutive races and probation for one full year. During probation any further physical altercations banned for one year from the facility. Zero tolerance for physical contact.
2) Any contact made on the track after the race is over, the contact deemed intentional and done in malice by flagman and race director the driver will be banned for 3 consecutive races and placed on one year probation. Any infractions that occur during probation will result in one year banned from the facility. Zero tolerance for anyone that intentionally attempts to do harm to others.
3)Any and all physical altercations that do not involve a driver will result in the peron or persons being banned from the facility for one month. Second offense banned from facility for life.
4)Teching is to occur each and every week. What is going to be teched is decided by flagman and race director the night of the race. It is told to tech personnel after the first race. The number of cars teched will be decided the night of the race by the flagman and race director.
4)Middleford Rules posted and available to all drivers and teams so they are responsible to adhere to the rules as stated in rule book
5)Only drivers and crew members are to be permitted on four wheelers. No patrons, family members or children.
6) At no time is an adult to participate in an altercation with a minor. Person or persons violating this will be banned for one month and banned for life for second offense. OUR CHILDREN ARE PRECIOUS AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH.
7)Once the schedule is posted for the year there will be no alterations to the schedule. Schedule needs to reflect if there is rain dates for make up or not.
My opinion only....Nothing should be at the discretion of any one individual. There are many capable people on staff at Middleford. Utilize them. John great flagman, not partial, calls them like he sees them and if he cant see or questions what he did see thats why we have corner men and together utilize your radios and make the call.
This track needs to be a success for many reasons. If it continues the way it is going I dont look for it to be around very long.
Please note this is not being degrading to the track owner or anyone that is employed by the track. You have had many obstabcles to overcome this year. This is merely suggestions and my personal opinions.
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Post by itsmydime10 on Oct 28, 2009 16:55:11 GMT -5
That right and what they need keep them comming this is good stuff
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Post by good ideas on Oct 28, 2009 21:13:23 GMT -5
It sounds as if you would rather put more fuel to the fire. But may you be seccessful at organizing & expressing your true concerns like the adults you all are...right? I would hate to see another small track fall by the wayside. Buck had a lot of emotion & energy in to former DMP. Pam Buckholz Fuel to the fire? no, this post is to do just the opposite and has great ideas. Buck had alot of emotion and energy into dmp? what does that have to do with what is going on in this post? I agree with what has been suggested so far here. my only other issue was the favortism in the past and a very good way to eliminate that is to not allow pit/family members to be involved in any decisions that would affect their driver. pit/family members shouldn't be allowed to make decisions or be involved in any talks/meetings/judgments about calls being made in their own races, they can help with other race classes, but shouldn't be involved in calls made on their own class. also, car owners shouldnt be helping tech cars in the class they just won. GREAT POST IDEA HERE !!! |
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Post by Guest again on Oct 28, 2009 21:52:41 GMT -5
and be CONSISTENT from week to week and from race to race with the calls made!
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Post by goodideas2 on Oct 29, 2009 8:07:38 GMT -5
I agree with the stopping of the favortism, last year there was a kid who knew ahead of time from week to week if there was gonna be an in vert and what the invert number was and would qualify accordingly andd even bragged about it. this was even discussed on wheel to wheel one night and dmp wass busted.
the parents and pit members should stay out of "helping" with anything to do with running the race in there class.
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Post by itsmydime10 on Oct 29, 2009 8:33:19 GMT -5
thats why the race director of Middleford was letting the heat winner of the class pull the invert that was a good idea . unless they were all the same # lol
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Post by love racing on Oct 29, 2009 12:39:08 GMT -5
goodideas2 back then it didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the best strategic planning based off the numbers that were in the bucket for the invert. It would of been beneficial for any driver young or old to position themselves in qualifying based off the numbers EVERYONE knew was in the bucket. At that time I believe I am correct in saying there was not even a #1 in the mix. So all drivers knew that there was going to be an invert of some kind. What would you have done as an experienced driver? Where would you have positioned yourself knowing there was going to be an invert no matter what? They did change that eventually and added the #! for no invert. I always sit in the stand next to the pit shack and watch the races. I haven't seen it this year but in the past someone would always bring a bucket out to a young child and have them draw the number. I always speak from what I know and not rumors so I believed this to be the invert number but I want to say that I am not positive
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Post by DMP SUPPORTER on Oct 29, 2009 13:08:04 GMT -5
Just for thaught....Lets talk about partiality and favortism. I see none of that going on now or even in the past with DMP. Lets face it these are two words that losers use. There are no drivers or teams singled out now or in the past that have been treated differently. Read these posts they tell the story currently Middleford is being accused of "not doing anything". How many drivers or teams have been banned from DMP or Middleford? As far as the calls on the track YOU WIN SOME, YOU LOSE SOME. We haven't had tech until recently. NO FAVORTISM THERE. Nobody banned. NO FAVORTISM THERE. Where is all the favortism you are talking about? The calls on the track are made by multiple people are you accusing all of them of favortism? RACE HARD RACE CLEAN HAVE FUN
TAKE RESPONSIBILTY FOR YOUR WINS AND YOUR LOSSES
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Post by Tracey Ackenbrack on Oct 29, 2009 14:39:15 GMT -5
Hi, This is Tracey. For those who don't know me, I'm the girl who works in the pit shack when it was DMP and now with Middleford. I know this post is not to complain but to try to make it better.
Love Racing yes you are right. When it was DMP I would take the bucket to a little kid and have them draw the pill. I thought that would keep it fair. And you also correct on it not taking a rocket scientist to figure out where they needed to finish in heat to get a good position in feature. The pills in bucket were 3,4,5 and 6. EXAMPLE - In the JR Class there were only 3 cars most of the year. Well lets see if the lowest pill begins with 3 well them kids are smart enough to know to start on pole they need to finish last. But no people had to cry and complain that people knew what the invert was.
So when Middleford took over they pulled pill on other side by tower. Then they decided to have the winners from the heat to come pull a pill. The numbers for that was 0,4,6 and 8. I liked that idea it helped me get line-ups done faster. (Well when the printer worked)
So for those who have there doubts in what was drawn and what pills are in the bucket. Just one of the next 2 races we have you can come to the pit shack and work with me and watch the pill draws and see what numbers are put in the bucket.
Sry I wrote so much just wanted to inform people.
Thanks,
Tracey Ackenbrack
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Post by friday night racer on Oct 29, 2009 15:25:53 GMT -5
Since everyone is making suggestions i figure id make one myself. I feel that we should start teching alittle more next year. Just to make sure people dont start cheating every week and not get busted for it. lets pick a couple classes every week and tech them. even the chargers should get teched.
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Post by itsmydime10 on Oct 29, 2009 18:51:40 GMT -5
Hey Tracey thank you for telling us how the invert really worked some of us didn't have the time to do all the math anyway the invert should be in place me and another Dad were joking this year on staging lane about what the invert # was and we both hit it we started 1 and 2 we didn't know what it was because the heat winner drew the invert but the mom of another team was screaming we were cheating and knew the invert blah because her son didn't win the feature seems you can't even joke around anymore I think you and ED and Donny are great people and that is my opinion so nobody has to get crazy but who could go up to Tracey and tell her other wise NOT ME hahahahah hope everyone gets it all out and have fun this weekend I know I feel better know have fun and peace
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Post by just sayin on Oct 29, 2009 21:14:30 GMT -5
Just for thaught....Lets talk about partiality and favortism. I see none of that going on now or even in the past with DMP. Lets face it these are two words that losers use. There are no drivers or teams singled out now or in the past that have been treated differently. Read these posts they tell the story currently Middleford is being accused of "not doing anything". How many drivers or teams have been banned from DMP or Middleford? As far as the calls on the track YOU WIN SOME, YOU LOSE SOME. We haven't had tech until recently. NO FAVORTISM THERE. Nobody banned. NO FAVORTISM THERE. Where is all the favortism you are talking about? The calls on the track are made by multiple people are you accusing all of them of favortism? RACE HARD RACE CLEAN HAVE FUN TAKE RESPONSIBILTY FOR YOUR WINS AND YOUR LOSSES dmp supporter, i dont think they meant sence its been middleford, they are talking about the pst few years at dmp and that was well known. |
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Post by good one on Oct 29, 2009 21:20:20 GMT -5
Since everyone is making suggestions i figure id make one myself. I feel that we should start teching alittle more next year. Just to make sure people dont start cheating every week and not get busted for it. lets pick a couple classes every week and tech them. even the chargers should get teched. I agree with this and would include that no one be allowed ahead of time to know which classes on which nights will be teched, including parents, crew, owners, etc. no advanced notice. |
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Post by DMP SUPPORTER on Oct 29, 2009 22:04:03 GMT -5
I have raced there when it was DMP and Middleford and I fully stand by my previous post. Favortism and partiality are terms used by losers.
Many of the staff that made decisions and calls when it was DMP were retained by Middleford. These folks did and continue to do a hell of a job.
"DARK PEOPLE SEE DARK THINGS"
We will have to just disagree. I hope things work out for you though.
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Post by IDK on Oct 31, 2009 14:16:01 GMT -5
friday night racer, Who would be cheating?? Nobody is lapping people.
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Post by Cole946 on Oct 31, 2009 17:10:56 GMT -5
Folks you make all these suggestions and everything but you sign in as guest or cover your name up. You all say that Middleford employees don't stand by what they say. You guys are showing the same thing by hiding your true name. Why not voice your opinion and your name. Don't be scared no one will hold it against you.
Kyle Cole
Modlite 33
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Post by pitspectator on Nov 1, 2009 7:59:03 GMT -5
Middleford can be a great track if rules are made and followed accordingly. That takes the ands, ifs,and buts out of every equation. People that work at the track do a great job but they take their lead from the powers that be. Every class should have some teching done to keep everyone honest and consistent. If you are consistent there should never be a question. Invert Pill draw should be done on the front staight away or have the top 5 pick for position like they do at georgetown in front of the spectators.- that would give them an opportunity to see them out of the car. On a small scale you can not compete with large tracks more promo needs to be done to get spectators to the track which in turn increases revenue which then should increase payouts.Lastly I agree with a previous poster stick to the schedule!!!
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