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Post by kart19 on Apr 22, 2007 23:00:11 GMT -5
For all it's worth... Is having trailers loaded and out of the gates by 12.00 worth the safety of the drivers? Is having these drivers meetings worth attending when things that are discussed are never followed through with? What degree of a caution is worth a yellow flag? Is giving up a position worth putting another driver in danger? My character is to hide and watch until a situation arises that I know deep down isn't right and after what I saw Friday night I'm going to be blunt and to the point. I'm sorry, but where was the caution flag after I went up 6 feet and turned in mid air and landed backwards? Not to say how many times we've been told at the drivers's meeting that if you see someone and their nose is under yours going into to the turn that driver has the preferred line and if you take that driver out you will go to the back or be black flagged. No caution flag no nothing. You know I struggled for a year and never claimed to be the greatest driver, but I've always tried to respect everyone. But I was finally getting somewhere and I know I had the line and was intentionally taken out and all the flagman did was shrug his shoulders and hold up a rolled caution flag that should've been thrown. But we all know that I've always just taken it without a fight and would fall back in to the back of the pack not saying a word. But I know I was in the right and thought that finally something would go my way and if I really had a dime for everyone who has told me how much of a raw deal that I had gotten I would be a rich woman. Not saying that it wouldn't be nice...Not long afterwards there were several other incidents that a caution should've been thrown and one was involving one of the younger divisions that there were karts driving on the wrong side of the track and luckily got turned around before getting ugly. So tell me does it take breaking your neck to get a caution flag? You know I've attended these meetings and for the life of me I can't see where any of what is said is ever enforced during the race. My patience has gotten the best of me and find no enjoyment in spending my weekends battling officials that have to pick and choose whose worth a caution. I wish all drivers the best and have enjoyed racing with all of you. Also I will miss (Heinz) at the concession stand who does a great job with everything that he's been through in the past year. There's no need to argue the past and if by chance there would be someone out there that might need to bring it up please feel to email me at Kadershan@yahoo.com. Have a great season!
Kind Regards,
Kart #19
Kart #19
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Post by caddyshack on Apr 23, 2007 22:05:55 GMT -5
We're going to miss you and the determination that you have put in at this track. The dedication to this track every weekend for the past 3 years and recently on crutches shows how much you enjoy racing with your son and we pray that you will continue if not here than somewhere else. One thing is for sure and that is you would race a clean race and that means a lot. The officials should be ashamed of the way things were handled and fault the flagman for showing no consideration or respect to caution long enough to see if she was ok. During a feature if a kart is involved in a potential accident or spins out a flag should be thrown for safety as well as to regroup. As in this situation the driver who went down on her in the corner should have been black flagged and sent to the pits. Hopefully having the points posted under unofficial the board should review what happened and make things right so there won't be another race family that never comes back. Think about it!!!!
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Post by kartinginterest on Apr 24, 2007 6:28:08 GMT -5
Well theres another GREAT racer gone from the US 13 Kart Club and I would say her son as well! How many more racers are going to leave from being so frustrated from things that happen at the track? I agree very much with what she has said. SAFETY of ALL racers should be taken into consideration not just in certain classes. If everyone is so concerned about getting out of there early then enforce the 20 minute rule as is done in state or national events. If the race is not done in 20 minutes its over! Dont replace safety with lets hurry up and get it doneby 12am. It was said we were going to be done by 12 and ever since i been coming there we always had till 1am till the racing had to be finished. How come no one even as ran over there and checked top see if she was ok? Will anything be done to the man who cut her off , sent her in the air then into the fence and took her out or is this just showing everyone there that to get ahead just take out who you want and just keep racing? There were many cautions that should have been thrown the entire night for safety reasons and werent! I saw one racer in a junior class on turn 3 facing on coming traffic but slightly of the tarck and no caution! Now come on was that a good call? Well #19 you will surley be missed as well as your entire family of racers and pit crew. A group of very good people, I would assume will not be back. You know theres a very good facility in Seaford that opened up Sunday maybe she will make her name there and kick some A** down there and get the credit she deserves as the racer she is!!! After being there Sunday and watching she was FAST and the staff at DMP seems to have all the right ideas on how to make things right! Also by hearing what I have about Walt Breeding he wont allow the things go on there that go on at the US 13 kart club!!!!! Good Luck #19 and if your son goes there as well Good luck to him as well because hes a GREAT racer as well!!! He must of got it from his mother!!!!!!!!
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Post by Stinger on Apr 24, 2007 8:42:23 GMT -5
Please give me an opportunity to look into this situation and attempt to fix the problem before you decide not to race anymore at US13. I was at the national race in NC last week. I agree 100% that safety should not be jeopardized for time. I need to get more information from the officials who were present.
In order to finish races at a reasonable time (well before midnight) everyone, officials and racers, must cooperate and the 20-minute time limit must be imposed.
Walt
Board Member
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Post by caddyshack on Apr 24, 2007 14:47:38 GMT -5
To keep these guys here you should talk to some of the members that saw what happened because apparently the officials didn't see all that went on. The woman on the ambulance that was standing by the fence could tell you all that you need to know. I sure hope that you do all that you can do to keep them here. Thank you Walt for a job well done.
CADDY
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Post by voice76 on Apr 24, 2007 16:55:34 GMT -5
it is not the flagman or the officials .the problem is the parents of the kids and the adults they have always preached that rubbing and running people off the track intentionally is "JUST RACING" now that it has gotten out of hand no one likes it.. I am just glad no one got hurt noone deserves to get hurt.. this sport is suppose to be all about fun........
JMO
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Post by peewee on Apr 24, 2007 21:01:08 GMT -5
I think the night went pretty good and here's the proof at no time was the EMT called to go on the track to check the driver. No driver's were injured! (or in immediate danger) The girls in the tower & all the track worker's did a great job. The track appeared o.k.. We got done racing I believe around 11:20pm not 1:00am like the week before with 2 EMT calls to the track. We are a WKA Sanctioned track and will be run the WKA way!!
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Post by kart19 on Apr 24, 2007 23:42:39 GMT -5
How can you come on here say the proof is not having a EMT respond to the track when you took it upon yourself to assume that I was ok and the race was never stopped long enough to see. Secondly, the color of my back should be enough proof that I did survive a injury without a EMT and at that point I was so floored to the fact that I was still left out by the fence while you continued the race for 3 full laps to really care what injury I may of had at that point. Please don't take my word, but just ask around and other's will agree that there were cautions on that track that should have been called whether you tend to believe that or not. You continue your way and I'll go my way knowing that I did the right thing because whether it be the WKA way or whatever way I won't be doing it the Peewee way!! One more thing if I was coming out of turn 3 and holding my line going into turn 4 and suddenly get plowed in the air 6 ft howdo you suppose I got there if it wasn't for someone intentionally turning down into me? I've had enough of having the same thing said at the drivers meeting that this won't be tolerated and you will be sent to the rear no questions... Where was that caution flag? I don't care that the race was over at 11:20 or at 2:20 as long as I knew that things were fair... I'm just tired of fighting a losing battle. I think the girls in the tower have made a definite improvement and I commend them for it. I hope that everything will continue to improve and wish eveyone a great season.
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Post by kartdad0four on Apr 25, 2007 5:47:12 GMT -5
if the officials didnt see the incident how can anyone expect them to make a call?i feel confident that if they had seen it they would have.they also have stated at the drivers meetings that if they feel you are not in harms way that there will be no cautions. i dont think there was a no call on your incident because everyone wanted to go home but because the officials did not see it.
kd04
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Post by kartinginterest on Apr 25, 2007 6:38:39 GMT -5
I have a very hard time beleiving that no officials saw any of the incidents that happened the entire night. Besides her incident there was a Jr 1 kart that got turned around on turn 3 and ended up on the outside of turn 3 just beyond the banking facing the on coming traffic coming down the back stretch. Thats not in harms way? Then I saw another adult in a stock class spin and was sitting in the middle of turn one and the leaders were at the flag stand and not even as much as a corner caution was given. I agree if a kart spins and goes into the middle of the track a caution wouldnt be given,( frustrating as a racer but understandable) but if a kart is sitting anywhere on the outside of the track there in harms way!!! Just because no emt was called to the track doesnt mean it was a good night and everyone was out of harms way on the track. I honestly beleive the reason things went smoother that night and everyone got out of there by midnight was becasue all the hard work by the ladies in the tower. Thats a very tough job and everyone up there are brand new this year and I think in the short time they have had for learning the system have done a EXCELLENT JOB!!! I wonder if some WKA officials were there and just observing things if they would agree that things were run the " WKA way " ? It is hard for me to see the attitude that the President of the club has come across with in this incident. Its no wonder racers will continue to leave after having to deal with things like this. If more people were like Walt were in charge with an attiude like his things may go a little smoother for the club. Like he said up above the officials and the racers must cooperate in order for things to work! Its not one way or the highway! The club has a good board of directors and I really hope they can get together and fix some of the problems that go on at and around the track! Think about it, how many of you would want to be taken out of the race, sitting just outside of the track of the track backed into a fence and just be left there with karts coming at you around a turn going 50mph and nothing done. Or how would the parents feel if there child was sitting on the outside of the banking on turn 3 facing oncoming traffic and nothing done. PeeWee what would you have said if it was you in that kart (as kart19) or if you had a child on the race track (on turn 3)in that incident have thought inside your head? HONESLTY!! I bet you would have felt the same as kart19!! Get done by 11:20 or get done by 12am and be much safer for all racers concerned? It wouldnt have taken that much longer to throw a few more cautions and be safer and use the 20 minute rule! Think about it!
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Post by peewee on Apr 25, 2007 21:33:17 GMT -5
If the Board of Director's or Race Director feel they need to have a talk with me about how I flag, do the track prep, etc. they can talk to me about it at the next board meeting. If they decide I'm not the right man for the job they will let me know and they will find another one. We have 4 officer's and 7 board members they are empowered by the club to do the managing. It is the responsibility of the board to hire & fire the people that work at the track and I think they are looking into the matter. Also if they feel I should be removed from office it is their responsibility to try to get that done to.
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Post by kartdad0four on Apr 26, 2007 5:20:07 GMT -5
peewee,
dont get too wound up reacting and responding to posts from people that hide behind a screen name,claim to have a valid concern but will not reveal their identity.come on people,work with the club and not against it.
in this case, something may have happened but if a race official did not see the incident then how can a call be made,a judgement call is just that- a judgement call- and not everyone will see it the same way.
i hope the 19 kart will continue to race with us as we hate to lose anyone but everyone must keep in mind that calls are gonna be made that are not going to make everyone happy all the time
"sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you"
kd04 mike savage
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Post by kartracing on Apr 28, 2007 8:55:04 GMT -5
I have sit here and watched replies for a week now and somethings in this world still amazes even me! There have been alot of commments on the situation about Kart #19 last friday night, some posted on this site some just by word of mouth, the bottom line I'm sorry to say Kart 19 is no matter what our opinions are the officals will have the final say. I was standing there just down from the flag man when your situation occured to all of those wondering she was running in 3rd place and yes he was watching ( Doesn't the flag man normally watch the leaders?) when you went in the air and came down he had the yellow flag in hand rolled it up and lifted his shoulders ( like well ) and never threw the caution, Pee wee you made the comment you thought the night went pretty well no EMT's were called, how would you know from there if anyone was hurt weather it be an adult or a child?, safty should be the top priority no matter what time limit you may have! And in a feature race shouldn't more consideration be taken to the drivers in a situation like this when points are involved? Everyone says its all about fun, when you have several thousands of dollars in equipment for yourself or your kids fun is taken away in any sport. Pee Wee you also said it was over at 11:20 and not 1:00 like the week before! I'm sorry but that's a crutch for you we all know Karts were lined up on pit lane for about 50 to 60 Min. waiting for the line up. NO disrespect to the people in the tower they were having some problems trying to figure things out and we all understand that and you guys are doing a fine job up there. You say you are WKA sanctioned, I think they would be dissappointed in the way some things were handled that night, there kids racing as well that could have been in danger because the caution wasn't thrown because you didn't feel it should have been one. There was one child in the corner of 1 and 2 going the wrong way because he spun out, the leader was coming out of 4 and no caution flag, finally the child drove it in the infield, did't you see the danger in that ? My bottom line is this I'm not hiding behind a screen name and yes i do have a valid concern because of my money and involvement with the track I'm expressing my opinion for the facts that i saw, it shouldn't matter what my name is or my screen name is, understand I'm not here to bash Pee wee or anyone. My comments are to hope people open up there eyes and look what 's going on and that safety is the main concern for everyone. To you Kart #19 you proved last sunday at Middleford what kind of racer you are, how much heart you have and what you can do and how much you love to race. I think alot of us are going to miss you at Delmar and wish you best in all that you do.
sincerly,
Kartracing
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Post by peewee on Apr 29, 2007 8:43:20 GMT -5
Dear KARTRACING??? Everybody that was at the track that night saw how things went but you guy's seem to have to keep explaning what you saw and think. It seems like everything is directed towards me? When the race is going on I'm trying to watch all the karts (it's like watching a tennis match but maybe faster). Can I tell you that kart19 was third NO! I can't even tell you who won, who was in the race, or what class it was because I am not watching it as a spectator or a crew member. I would love to have everybody that owns a kart to race at Delmar and I'm sure if you were doing my job they would be, but you have elected to be a no-name couch potato. ALL MEMBER's The board's having another meeting May 7 at the track so if you are at the state race this Saturday have your complaints written down and hand them to a board member and they can go over them Monday night.
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Post by jlm5 on Apr 29, 2007 14:18:48 GMT -5
peewee or anyone else for that matter.... you shouldn't waste your time responding to someone that doesn't post their name. They have already showed some signs of their character by not posting it in the first place, whether they are right or wrong. As far as the WKA way goes..... how many of you posting on here have been out of state to a national race or vdka or any other larger series? (i'll assume none because if you did then you would not question whether wka would approve) besides on the initial start cautions are thrown very little once they get the green. That's not to say it's the right way but i'm just trying to help explain the flagmans view. I think the point has been made that some of you think he was wrong and some don't. I take it that both of you will respectfully agree to disagree. I would hope someone wouldn't choose to stop running delmar because of a bad call or two or just based on one night. There are around 100 racers out there on friday nights with about 10 winners. So that means 90 of you(us) don't make the right call on the gear, prep, tires or set up. Knowing him personally for the past few years i really feel he has the best intentions for everyone racing. Kart19 disagreed with the call and let it be known. It's ok to disagree, i just hope that for the club's sake they don't lose a racer, flagman, president, track preparer over a split second judgement call that can be argued for or against with very valid points.
jmho
James Lewis
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Post by mikewilson on Apr 29, 2007 21:21:26 GMT -5
Well Jamie i have been out of state (VDKA,Georgia,etc.) your right they don't throw cautions for alot but when somebody is spun out in the middle of the track they usually do, or in danger. Also i have never seen a flagmen down there or anywhere else walk out of the flag stand during qualifying when karts are looking to take the green and have to come to a complete stop to restart there session!! and i have never seen a winner of a race cross under the flag stand not receiving the checkered as Brian Bradford did that night he never even slowed because he thought the race was still on.Another thing is, i have never seen a track get watered while karts are out there like it is a slick track at the old Sports Complex.By the way this isn't a screen name this is a real one.Pee Wee you did a hell of a job at the first state race not taking that from you one bit, but if things don't change somebody is going to get hurt.You said there wasn't no EMT's on the track that night and your right, but that isn't the right comment to make.Take suggestions and go with it.This isn't the time for attitude man just listen to people. We want a place to race for a long time, and this stuff happening isn't helping. I guess its going to take somebody getting airlifted to open your EYES! Thank You for reading till next Mike Wilson
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Post by kartinginterest on Apr 30, 2007 6:36:09 GMT -5
It amazes me how so much is being put into who signs there name or not,. Does that mean that your word doesn't count unless your someone with a specific name. Isnt that one of the problems with the club already?
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Post by mod98 on Apr 30, 2007 11:40:21 GMT -5
That is why our family and so many others have got out of Karting.
We should all understand one thing, that is karting racing is just that, racing as in anytype of racing there are alot of unseen dangers. So the ones that are seen should be addressed. Kids do not think like adults theres that no fear factor, everyone should remember as we were all kids at one time, so its up to the adults to set the stage for them and follow it from week to week so they are not confused. We had alot of fun racing karts and have met alot of very nice people at several tracks ,but i don't missed the arguing.
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Post by jlm5 on Apr 30, 2007 15:59:26 GMT -5
It amazes me how so much is being put into who signs there name or not,. Does that mean that your word doesn't count unless your someone with a specific name. Isnt that one of the problems with the club already? credibility and accountability.... Mike wilson adds credibility to his views because he has gone down south a little bit.... someone making his same statement that has not traveled would recieve less credibility in my opinion. if we are not held accountable for our actions or words then imagine the world we would live in..... example if Rohn Moon says run 10lbs of air and i say run 10lbs.... we both said the same thing but his cred is way better than mine. If you over hear someone say 10lbs in a crowd and don't know who said it then they(whoever they are) don't have any cred because we don't know who they are.. -jamie |
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Post by kartdad0four on Apr 30, 2007 17:20:32 GMT -5
jlm, so you think 10lbs is too much?  kd04 |
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Post by kartinginterest on Apr 30, 2007 18:57:29 GMT -5
Ive been as far south as Daytona to race and watch how national events are handled.
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Post by caddyshack on Apr 30, 2007 20:09:57 GMT -5
Charmin, Northern, or Scott we all wipe our ass with the same thing...We all live in America with Freedom Of Speech whether your black, white or hispanic with or without a name. Regardless, a name doesn't make the person it only identifies. Futhernore, I don't feel the need for anyone to know who I am just know how I feel and what I believe in. You don't have to go North or South to learn anything just pick up the rule book. it's been said they go by the book I wouldn't know because I haven't been. I don't have the money to pay someone to tell me how much air to put in my tires or to get to the front with a open wallet. Imagine the world without freedom of speech or money!
CADDY
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Post by jlm5 on May 1, 2007 6:40:35 GMT -5
i already told you 10lbs and it didn't cost you a dime.... =)
p.s. ask Imus about freedom of speech
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Post by caddyshack on May 1, 2007 11:34:16 GMT -5
lol Jlm that's the only advice you would give for free...but then again lets not forget the crediblity that we have to pay for! All kidding a side we need to listen to the insults as well as the compliments and improve our track and not be so worried on who it is that said what.
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Post by kartdad0four on May 4, 2007 5:59:20 GMT -5
listen to the "insults"?.......... i certainly hope you mean constructive criticism.
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Post by Stinger on May 4, 2007 6:24:59 GMT -5
We all need to work together to move forward. I have sent the board members an email with recommendations in reference to the initial concerns from our members. I will speak to the board on Saturday in an attempt to get my recommendations instituted or modified as they see necessary for the betterment of all involved. As Peewee mentioned, we are a WKA track and follow WKA rules (for the most part). We need to ensure the safety of our competitors while maintaining control of the race. We cannot allow drivers to bait the caution thus possibly causing another incident where an innocent driver is affected.
I hope we have a good turn out tomorrow and I wish everyone a safe and joyful day.
The pump around will be used. I will be changing the lines to 3/4" this evening. This should speed things up a little bit more at the pump around.
Walt
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