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Post by RedBud69 on Mar 29, 2007 13:07:50 GMT -5
2007 Kart Schedule
Sunday, April 22nd Practice - All Classes 1:00 - 4:00
Wednesday May 2nd Racing - 1st race for the 2007 DMP Kart Championship Series All Divisons - WKA Classes, Outlaw Classes, and PeeWee Class
Racing every Wednesday night through September!!
WKA Delaware State Series Events
These races will be part of and controlled by US 13 Kart Club's Delaware State Series
Saturday June 2nd
Saturday July 7th
Saturday September 8th
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jlm5
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Post by jlm5 on Apr 1, 2007 8:08:47 GMT -5
Divisions Minimum Weight Pee Wee 5-7 Del Rules, Controlled Track Time
Rookie 8-11 Purple Plate, WKA Animal or Flathead 275 lbs
Junior 12-14 Blue Plate, WKA Animal or Flathead 290 lbs
why don't they just run the same junior classes as delmar minus the jr. 1 rookie? now if you are 12, 13 14 and run junior animal you will have to buy another motor to run at DMP. just a suggestion.
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Post by kartdad0four on Apr 1, 2007 18:35:59 GMT -5
speaking for myself,i will not be buying another motor to run another series,with a smaller plate at a lighter weight,having purchased 2 gold plate animals this year my motor budget is tapped out. i talked to several others in the jr3 ranks and they all felt the same way.if the classes they have posted are what they are going to go with then i guess we will be spectators on wed nite and not racing.how many other 12-14 yr olds want to race a blue plate after moving to a gold? to me it doesnt make any sense but thats just my humble opinion,and spectating is alot cheaper than racing........... kd04
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Post by kartdad0four on Apr 3, 2007 4:48:06 GMT -5
" it kind of falls into the category of what the Kart Club is doing to the peewee class." not at all in my opinion.a promoter buys a track,sets his class structure and promotes his racing.if he does not have a class that i feel we can be competitive in we dont participate.pretty simple thought process.imo. with travel to money races, the vdka,the del. state series,and our local club events,a few races on asphault at king george,my wallet is not complaining about not racing on wed. nites also. as a peewee parent,please dont throw the board under the bus yet,as no one has seen how the new rules will actually affect this class, and what we are trying to accomplish with the peewee class in the interest of safety for our youngest members,it has always been stated that it is a work in progress( the lap time limit specifically)and any changes that can or need to be made will be addressed by the board. i personally dont see a problem, as do other members that there may be some tweaking of some of the new rules needed as the season progresses,remember you are not racing for points so any changes that are made will not affect the outcome of your season,only provide a better environment for your child to learn and prepare for when he/she is old enough to compete in jr1 come on out and give it a chance we need participation in this class in order to get it going in the right direction and tweak any rules that the board feels need to be addressed. my post was only intended to inform others that they may want to check out the class structure at DMP before they made any plans for wed. nites as i had talked to several parents that were not aware of the class structure and also to merely agree with jlm on why not just have the jr class structure that delmar has along with a jr outlaw class. kd04
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Post by kartdad0four on Apr 3, 2007 17:39:56 GMT -5
"the rest just complain but are not interested in participating in a solution." and this is what we need, participation to find a solution that is good for all parties and is safe for creating a learning environment for these youngsters.
"points are over rated in all levels of racing. if you win 50% of the races you run this year and lose the championship, i am sure kd04 will still feel the 04 had a successful season." i personally measure our success by the size of the smile on my sons face after we race and not so much by points or finishes,and if he ever gets out of the kart and says dad i dont want to do this anymore, were done,btw.he pulls straight a's in school in order to race.
this is the kind of feedback we need in order to come up with and find a solution to the issues in the peewee class,believe me, the board is not trying to alienate people from the club we are trying to create a safe place for kids to learn how to drive and race safely before the jump to jr1. what does a kid learn by being out in front all the time?invering the field will teach braking,passing,running in a pack and so on,the faster,better drivers will still get to the front.by inverting the field it gives everyone the opportunity to learn all aspects of the game. its been said before that if that 18 seconds was hard to achieve or was the wrong time that it was/is possible to change it.in my opinion the tire rule will go far in making the class alot safer due to the increased amout of grip created by wider tires and lower pressures that will make the karts much easier for the kids to control. i will say it again,come out and help the club find a happy medium and be part of the solution. but keep in mind that this class was created to give kids the oppurtunity to learn and not see how fast they could go i/we realize that the problems in the peewee class were not created overnite and we will certainly not solve them overnite. the plate idea is certainly a good idea that maybe we need to look into.why couldnt a no go guage be used even if the plate were not anodized?if it goes thru the hole its illegal.anodized or not,enforced with a very severe penalty(banned) for being illegal. keep in mind that not many 5-7 yr olds are gonna be drilling the plate to make it bigger.......... i personally welcome positive feedback in order to promote the class and make it better kd04
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Post by shannonargo on Apr 4, 2007 8:53:15 GMT -5
like i said we (six of us) practiced, went too fast, and were given no ideas on what to do outside of a throttle stop. if walt was interested in my idea, a phone call would have been nice. he said he lost the number and i have no reason to believe otherwise. again, my number is in the book and i'm sure it is on the club application i turned in with my dues. the person making the motion to leave the pwee class the same also called walt regarding this matter. walt said they were thinking about getting some plates made and testing them during the state race. none of us were contacted.
i assumed the no go tools came from WKA. if we use smaller plates, WKA would not have a guage for them. if the plates were not anodized and there was not a guage, it would be difficult to tell if they had been tampered with, hence leave them at the race track.
i have no problem with the rules set forth by the club, except one. the 18 second disclamer at the bottom realistically cancels out the need for any other rules.
i have another idea. i'll buy a brand new 3.5 motor and bring it to the race track. it will still be in the briggs box and untouched. someone on the board can come take the throttle control off the side, put in a plate, and bolt it on. if it runs faster than 18 seconds, remove the 18 second disclamer from the 2007 rules.
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Post by Stinger on Apr 4, 2007 19:18:09 GMT -5
Mr. Argo,
As I mentioned to you at the state race, I did not have your telephone number. Normally when people call they leave a call-back number, you did not. The other individual left a number that is disconnected. I did contact another individual who was going to try to get some smaller plates made up. Unfortunately, he was too busy to get them ordered.
Tech tools for the restrictor plates are ordered from tool makers and are not from WKA.
I agree with you that if the plates were not anodized they could be tampered with. There are two options to control this. The first is to assign a numbered restrictor plate to the driver at pre tech, have them install it in the tech area, and seal the carb. The other would be to allow the karters to purchase them at the track, witness them being teched and verify their legality, take home and if they are tampered with in any form, immediately suspend the driver and the parent(s). As kartdadfour commented, "not many a 5-year olds are gonna drill a plate to make it bigger."
Yes, the rules on tire pressure and gearing are not important with an 18 second lap time restriction. The purpose of the tire pressure restriction is to reduce the number of spins and to allow the "drivers" to learn to drive.
Let me share the following information with everyone and then ask a few questions.
)The information that follows is based on our track measurement of 1/5 mile)
Lap time (seconds) Speed (MPH) Distance (FPS)
20 36 52 18 40 59 16 45 66 14 51 75 12 60 88 11 65 96
In the state race, Animal medium class drivers were turning lap times in the low 11's. Many of these drivers have been around for a long time and are extremely experienced who know how to set a kart up to be right on the edge. Their engines are putting out around 12+ HP.
A stock 5 h.p. engine does not produce 5 h.p. a 3.5 hp engine does not produce 3.5 hp. Their actual hp output is lower due to friction withing the engine.
Questions:
1. Is 40 mph too slow for a 5 year old? 2. Can a 5 year old react fast enough to slowdown, stop, or think and decide how to avoid an accident when traveling at 59 FPS?
I have been around kart racing a long time. It would be extremely difficult for someone to convince to me that a 3.5 hp stock engine, running on pump gas, with a purple restrictor can run within 5 seconds of a blueprinted, unrestricted animal engine with the most experienced drivers at the wheel.
I'm not trying to ruffle feathers. I'm trying to get parents to really think about how fast these young kids are going and the advantages of having a lap time restriction. We want these kids to be great drivers when they move up to the WKA classes. It has been proven in Florida that the kids coming out of their peewee classes are very good drivers. By the way - they also have lap time restrictions.
Walt
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Post by shannonargo on Apr 4, 2007 20:21:35 GMT -5
walt, I am not trying to get into a peeing contest with you or kd04. You guys have been karting for much longer than I have. The last thing I want to do is disrespect either of you. I was trying to make the point that the 04 not wanting to go backward in class was similar to the situation in the peewee class. If you or he do not see the parallel, I do not feel you are viewing the situation with an open mind.
Georgetown Speedway and Delaware International both claim to be 1/2 mile tracks. I have been to both many times in my life and am quite sure that most will agree the two tracks are not the same size. If the kart track is measured around the outside, your calculations would result in a higher speed than was actually being run due to the smaller circumference within the racing grove. Just a thought.
As far as the questions you asked, I do not have the answers. I do know that all of the racers are not 5 and there should be some room to advance for the 6 and 7 year olds.
It appears that in all levels of racing drivers are going too fast. I say this because there are accidents. Your points in question 2 would lead me to believe that if racers were going the proper speed they would be able to avoid all accidents.
As I stated in my prior post, I'll buy an engine and bring it to the track in the box. You do the work to it. We can put it on the kart and then we will all know if it will run faster than 18 seconds. I know track conditions will not be the same as they were in practice (fast), but I still think it will run faster than 18. I may be wrong.
I feel the peewee rookies should have an 18 second rule, with the next class at 16. It should be a guide line with some tolerance. Some consideration should be given to track conditions. The rookies should stay in the rookie class for the entire year or until approved by the race director to be moved up. A driver moved up by the race director should also be able to be moved back by the race director if it is demonstrated later that they were not ready.
Basically, I agree with a time restriction. However, I feel you must come up with restrictions to be placed on all karts in the class. I do not agree with the disclaimer of "It is the parents responsibility to keep the kart under 18 seconds." The club must set the rules for us to follow. As a side note to this, if you slow the fastest kart down one second, the slowest kart will likely also slow down one second. There will still be an equal spread between the lap times.
We thoroughly enjoyed the 2006 at Delmar and hope this can be resolved.
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