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clones
Feb 3, 2012 22:41:04 GMT -5
Post by greenwhitecheckard on Feb 3, 2012 22:41:04 GMT -5
What will the tire and clutch rules for the clones.will there be a claimer.any info would be helpful. Thanks
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clones
Feb 4, 2012 20:36:03 GMT -5
Post by fitzs3117 on Feb 4, 2012 20:36:03 GMT -5
I would like to know also.
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peewee
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clones
Feb 5, 2012 9:39:14 GMT -5
Post by peewee on Feb 5, 2012 9:39:14 GMT -5
Personally I'd like to see a clone class at all the tracks in the local area that is pure box stock so racers on very tight budgets can still race for the simple fun of it at any local track. (EXAMPLE) I c a race ready kart less engine on here for sale for $375, then I buy a new clone engine $200ish from our local kart shops, and with clutch rule I could get a new clutch under $100 maybe even under $60. The good news for me is not only am I back racing again, but I saved alot of money by buying a good used kart, NEW engine and NEW clutch for well under $1000. I race only for the love of it so I doubt I would race at just one track but TRAVEL (LOL) from delmar,mardela, & seaford.
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clones
Feb 5, 2012 10:30:43 GMT -5
Post by greenwhitecheckard on Feb 5, 2012 10:30:43 GMT -5
I would like to see box stock rules tech top 2 or 3 weekly.orange maxxis el rubbers.big pipe clone safe flywheel and open clutch
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clones
Feb 5, 2012 10:36:52 GMT -5
Post by greenwhitecheckard on Feb 5, 2012 10:36:52 GMT -5
Hey peewee I'd like to know where your geting a motor for that price. H.p speed charged me 400$ for a race ready box stock yellow clone with small pipe and stock flywheel. Only place you will find a motor for 200 is some backyard Guy that can't pass tech. That's why a claimer is crazy. There's already to much in these motors to put a claimer on them.but tech the sh.t out of us.
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peewee
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clones
Feb 5, 2012 11:13:09 GMT -5
Post by peewee on Feb 5, 2012 11:13:09 GMT -5
The motor i'm talking about is taken out of the box and put on my kart with a $50/$60 clutch rule with no tachs/gauges anywhere on my kart and blue maxxis or whatever maxxis tire I can buy used from the top running karter's. Remember I want to have fun don't want to spend my way out of karting
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clones
Feb 5, 2012 11:30:14 GMT -5
Post by jamperformance on Feb 5, 2012 11:30:14 GMT -5
The problem is pee wee, that banshee you purchased with the clone out of the box is gonna get smoked by the stage 1 $450 motor much less the $800 stage 3 motor that has been taken down totally and all tricks done to it. The best way for you guys to keep it reasonable is to have a $300-$400 claim rule which would get the winners motor minus they're clutch, header, and flywheel. This would atleast keep the stage 3 box stocks out of the picture. AKRA Box Stock Rule package is what you want to use, as 90% of the country is on this package.
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clones
Feb 5, 2012 12:14:09 GMT -5
Post by kartdad0four on Feb 5, 2012 12:14:09 GMT -5
agree with jam...akra box stock rules with a claimer rule will keep the $800 motors out of the class...another idea...call it a local option class and use unilli tires at $100 a set of 4..just throwing ideas out there..... kd04
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clones
Feb 5, 2012 12:15:49 GMT -5
Post by fitzs3117 on Feb 5, 2012 12:15:49 GMT -5
jamperformance i agree with you on this but add the Maxxis EL tire with to still keep it cheap for us low budget guy because basically this class was designed to bring more karters into the sport. Delmar didnt have a claimer rule last year on there rule package and even if we do a claimer i dont think thats going to stop anybody from buying a stage 3 BSP. JMO Thanks Matt
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clones
Feb 5, 2012 12:20:13 GMT -5
Post by fitzs3117 on Feb 5, 2012 12:20:13 GMT -5
The Maxxis EL set will cost you 180 to 200 a set and you can run those tires all year the unilli you might be able to run them 2 to 4 races until they are done. To me the EL tire combo would keep it cheap in the long run. Thanks Matt
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clones
Feb 5, 2012 12:29:21 GMT -5
Post by jamperformance on Feb 5, 2012 12:29:21 GMT -5
You'd be a fool to run a motor you spent $800 on, in a race you could lose it for $300-$400. But you're right someone is probably gonna do it. The durability of the EL tire does make it a good choice, as it is the only tire that would survive a nuclear holocaust. Not a lot of people seem to wanna run them though.
Joe
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clones
Feb 5, 2012 12:39:10 GMT -5
Post by fitzs3117 on Feb 5, 2012 12:39:10 GMT -5
I cant figure that out myself why nobody wants to run them with the cost of tires and equipment this isnt a cheap hobby and they would diffently save you big dollars.
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peewee
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clones
Feb 5, 2012 12:55:44 GMT -5
Post by peewee on Feb 5, 2012 12:55:44 GMT -5
Just wanted to thank everybody for talking about it and hopefully together we can come up with a class, I just want a class that's fun and affordable for anybody that wants to race for the simple enjoyment of it but I guess it would still be cheaper for me to go to the resort slick tracks and race their karts. I'm thinking maybe it's better for me to shoot for becoming the king of the track at MIDWAY or BAHA I would definitley have new competitor's every race and my fame would be short lived (LOL). Im sure jamperfomance is already headed to the slick tracks to call me out (LOL)
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clones
Feb 5, 2012 13:29:47 GMT -5
Post by 24racing on Feb 5, 2012 13:29:47 GMT -5
If we have a class with a claimer rule we may discourage all the clone guys from Seaford. Those guys might have too much invested in their motors to risk losing them. This would further separate the two clubs and keep people from running both tracks. There were 7 or 8 clones there last year and if we could get them to run some shows at Delmar we might have a big class if both tracks used the same clone rule. JMO.
Joe
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clones
Feb 5, 2012 14:04:25 GMT -5
Post by jamperformance on Feb 5, 2012 14:04:25 GMT -5
I can tell you that the Seaford class is gonna be, AKRA Box Stock Clone 375; Open Clutch; Maxxis Tires Only; 2012 AKRA Box Stock rules except you are allowed to run the big header
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clones
Feb 5, 2012 14:18:20 GMT -5
Post by kartdad0four on Feb 5, 2012 14:18:20 GMT -5
i can tell ya one thing...im looking forward to claiming a $800 motor for $400...lol.....maxxis el's would be fine and that gets us in under the maxxis track stuff..but imo have to stay with the akra rules with a claimer to keep it reasonable....another idea for a special event may be a "outlaw/run what ya brung clone race" tire rules still apply just no engine rules.....that would be interesting kd04
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icon94
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clones
Feb 5, 2012 14:28:01 GMT -5
Post by icon94 on Feb 5, 2012 14:28:01 GMT -5
I am all for a clone class, providing it is done properly. Claimer rule is a great idea. I think it should be run with the small pipe and shoe clutch. Also, this class should not race for anymore than $25.00. Once your start racing for bigger money, the bigger name racers will jump down and run the class. Personally, I don't see any reason for any kart shop or big name racer to even own a clone engine. This class was designed for the budget racer; it is no where near that now. I also think that it should be run with the same tire rule as all the other classes. There is an abundance of good used tire that available if you know where to look for them.
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clones
Feb 5, 2012 17:12:12 GMT -5
Post by jamperformance on Feb 5, 2012 17:12:12 GMT -5
Guess you better sell your clone then Bryan
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clones
Feb 5, 2012 22:22:52 GMT -5
Post by greenwhitecheckard on Feb 5, 2012 22:22:52 GMT -5
I'm one of the guys that ran seaford and the few times we were at Delmar we had a blast.I know myself and a few other guys that would come without a claimer. Also ran outlaw clone with about 5 to 7 karts at club Milton and talked to a few others that would like to see a class..just throwing that out there. I'm still against a claimer. Just tech us.its still fair.if there's a claimer it will severely hurt the kart count.HMO
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clones
Feb 5, 2012 22:26:16 GMT -5
Post by greenwhitecheckard on Feb 5, 2012 22:26:16 GMT -5
Outlaw clone run what ya brung and box stock clone drum clutch big pipe and tech;)
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clones
Feb 6, 2012 6:20:13 GMT -5
Post by kartdad0four on Feb 6, 2012 6:20:13 GMT -5
the kart count will grow if the rules are in place as akra box stock i believe that once people realize they are racing against other folks within the same rules package with a motor that can be replaced for less than a rebuild,,, on tires that are cheap...whether t3's or el's,,,,it needs to be an entry level class money wise....the guys that have "built" clones can get a box stock on from jc specialty's for $130,,they already have all the parts...throttle plate etc...,less than a set of tires,, where as the guys that already have a box stock one would have to pay way more than that to get it "built". the whole idea here and was when the clone came out was to be affordable and just look at what the clones have become......maybe its time to get back to "fun" i like the run what ya brung idea too..."anything except a briggs"....that could mean alot of things... jmo kd04
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clones
Feb 6, 2012 18:58:34 GMT -5
Post by jones46 on Feb 6, 2012 18:58:34 GMT -5
Every year we all talk about getting the clone class big but we never hear any of the rules til race time thats a bit 2 late. Every time i go down south clone is the biggest class no question and here maybe 3 if ur lucky but yet its the cheapest way 2 go just give us some rules now and hope 4 the best.
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clones
Feb 6, 2012 19:14:13 GMT -5
Post by 24racing on Feb 6, 2012 19:14:13 GMT -5
I can agree with that. We need to know soon so there is time to prepare. I also agree with the suggestion of not running for money. If we just run for fun it may keep the class reasonable. Let's keep the claimer rules out of it and just tech someone if they win by half a lap. If they refuse then no points.
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nancy
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clones
Feb 6, 2012 20:40:54 GMT -5
Post by nancy on Feb 6, 2012 20:40:54 GMT -5
to all clones racer put together a rule package and what u would like to see and get up with me so we can talk and work something out on entry fee horace wilson mardela speedway lets bring back the fun in racing
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clones
Feb 6, 2012 20:50:07 GMT -5
Post by greenwhitecheckard on Feb 6, 2012 20:50:07 GMT -5
I'd run a clone at mardela if the entry fee was a little more friendly to the wallet
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nancy
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clones
Feb 6, 2012 21:04:21 GMT -5
Post by nancy on Feb 6, 2012 21:04:21 GMT -5
get all your racer together and i will meet you all any where
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nancy
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clones
Feb 6, 2012 21:05:26 GMT -5
Post by nancy on Feb 6, 2012 21:05:26 GMT -5
get all your racer together and i will meet you all any where
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clones
Feb 7, 2012 6:52:06 GMT -5
Post by fitzs3117 on Feb 7, 2012 6:52:06 GMT -5
I think it should be the same rule as anywhere else. Bsp,dupor,harbor frieght blue, or whatever 6.5 clone that is the same style,bullet steel flywheel or bullet aluminum flywheel,wiener pipe ,no claimer but open clutch and maxxis ht3 like brian said in a earlier post you can get used tires almost anywhere and you can get a used clutch in good shape for the same money you could spend on a decent drum clutch. Most tracks run this package around here that way you can run where ever you want. I would run that class with no problem. Thanks Matt
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clones
Feb 7, 2012 13:11:28 GMT -5
Post by greenwhitecheckard on Feb 7, 2012 13:11:28 GMT -5
I agree 100% ssm. That is a class I'd run and so would alot of others..u want to make clones big around here....go with that rules package
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Post by fitzs3117 on Feb 7, 2012 14:47:58 GMT -5
Forgot to add the cl1 cam and tech to list.
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