Is it just me or am I blind... If you look at the times of the crate late models they are not that far off a SLM. Now how is that possible with the shock packages and double to triple the horsepower in a SLM... PLEASE DON"T GIVE ME THE BS ABOUT THE TRACK.. Someone needs to wake up and wake up quick... It's petty obvious whats going on. I have and idea lets take the same top 5 drivers that has finished in top 5 every week since the season started and start them in the rear of the field and see how long it takes them to get up front... My quess is not long.. WAKE UP MR. CATHELL
Post by loveracing on May 18, 2010 10:53:53 GMT -5
ogbracin you could not have spoken more truthful words. It is the topic of discussion on and off the track. Send the top five to the barn starting 5/28 (This week is wings and things) and do this for several weeks. There is clearly some funny business going on. (dont want to call anybody a cheater until they are caught but you have to tear em down to catch them). What needs to be done for Mr. Cathell and his officials to do something? You guys know who you are stop whatever your doing and race fair because there are alot of us that will not rest until we see you in the tech barn. Every Saturday night it is so "in your face" I dont know how it can go on much longer without the track officials and Mr. Cathell taking a look and doing something about it. Drivers be safe this Saturday night and good luck.
Post by schaefferoilguy on May 18, 2010 11:21:43 GMT -5
This is how it was explained to me from someone who has forgot more about racing since breakfast than I will ever know! lol The crates are very competitive with the SLM open motors on a medium to dry track, but not on a tacky track or where there is a cushion. All the horsepower in the world isn't any good if you can't get it to the track! This is why the new series started by CJ Rayburn is growing by leaps and bounds. Those crates are running consistantly with the open motors and winning. $5000 motor vs. $30,000 motor adds up pretty quick!
I race in this class every week and I'm the top mid pack car every week. during qualifying heat laps I will wait to run with the top 5 cars or at least 3 of them anyway and when were racing it seems that there cars just pulls away from me and believe me my car's is not junk by far. So it's got to be more hp that's all it can be... Between this and the horrible track conditions I'm going to head down south and up north to run in the fastrak series for now on... It's ridiculous what's going on there at delmar.....and at least these guy's will enforce the rules. and let us run the right compound tire for the track.
schaefferoilguy to answer your question or statement those engines there running with cj rayburn have 500 to 600 hp not 360 to 380 that the 602 have and the slm motors have anywhere from 700 to 900 hp there is no way we should be close to there lap times plus the fact of the shocks. there is a difference between a set of 4000.00 shocks than the DIS BS 400.00 shocks we run. the car is simply going to handle and get up on the bars very quick. key word is THE SHOCKS WILL RESPOND A HELL OF ALOT BETTER.
golly there is always a excuse or a so called cheater maybe your camoed car is not good enough fast enough or set up rite or maybe your not a good enough driver there is always a beautifull track at delmar . these guys got there cars rite if you can't run with them spend more money .. thats how racing is ...there is always a cry baby somewhere in the crate classes swearing somone is cheating yes im sure some are. but till there caught keep it up guys..
Post by joeracin11 on May 18, 2010 15:33:47 GMT -5
It's pretty consistent that we are about .08 - 1 sec off of the supers...(front runners) so, what does that mean? heck if I know, you do the math...last year at the champ show, I was faster than all the big blocks, and 3/4 of the supers... I went to the barn, I was legal, and have been to the barn several times over the years... you want to take it to the barn this weekend and babysit it? fine by me... I am assuming you are including me in your cheaters, because I consistently run in the top 5... this goes on every year, and I don't know why I feel the need to justify myself, but it's a shame that I and a few others have our hard work disregarded, because you think we are cheating because we run up front. I have one question for you?... and this is serious... Do you think Charlie reads this board? Why don't you call him and voice your opinions to him? You are just trying to start controversy on here. This is your first year. 4 years ago, my times were 1/2 sec slower than they are now. Sure, I have done a few (legal) things to help that, but the majority is finding how to keep that momentum up. I could go over a whole bunch of things that I have discovered to go faster, but it's not my job to get you up to speed. last week, I didn't make the right adjustments and my tires were crap, look at my time and look where I finished... you have to be up on your game, and if you think Delmar is bad??? you go and run down south, those boys will run circles around you and me. open shocks, blueprinted motors, etc... good luck! I'm gettin off here... I 'm headin out to the shop.. what are you doing?
I don't have a problem with tech and maybe more needs done but I will say Joe is right on. The little things matter and he has taught me that over the last year. It's all in the details and those who take the time will benefit from it. Took me a while to get it through my hard head but i'm better this year than before because of it.
Post by loveracing on May 18, 2010 17:46:18 GMT -5
Agreed. Races are won in the shop not on the track. Most of the readers on here like myself have been involved with racing for a number of years. We are not stupid and are very seldom off the mark. There are some that are just hooked up and have read the track. There are some that are just downright questionable. I say call Charlie express concerns and ask for tech to be more detailed and more frequent until this matter that is "questionable " is cleared up. I do not believe that it is one driver or car number that needs to be under the microscope I believe it to be several.
usually the only time that any of us are faster than the supers is when the track slicks off an the back half of them are going through the corners full throttle doing nothing but spinning their tires. listen to the cars running up front there basically shutting the car down through the corners and keeping it straight coming off. same way with the crate cars the ones up front are smooth and keeping the car straight. maybe you guys need to spend a little more time in the shop working on your cars than posting stuff about everyone else that spends alot of time trying to make there cars better. I've been to the barn several times an had the motor taking apart just like joey and the rest of us that run up front every week, and i won two weeks in a row but didnt have the car tightened up enough last week and ended up ninth so it just shows you have to have the car dialed in to run good.
WOW, were do I start... 1st off I was stating a fact of an observation that I noticed about time difference's that's all. Yes I said what I said about the top 5 but it's crazy to me that a cars with smaller cubic inch motors can be that close once again and observation... Also mr boobs or who ever you are I can assure you it's not the money because I have plenty of that in my car, possibly handling but I'm working on that slowly, and the last thing is since it's my 1st year I should be wrecking the hell out of the field and making poor decisions but i believe that's not been the case at all everything I've been involved in has been from or started from another driver and on a side note i have had drivers come to me and thank me for racing them clean so got to be doing something right. LET ME SAY THIS ALSO I'M NOT pregnant dogING OR CRYING BECAUSE I'M NOT WINNING..MY PLAN IS TO RUN CLEAN AND SMOOTH AND GET BETTER NOT TO WIN RACE'S THIS YEAR IF IT HAPPEN'S YEA FOR ME.........The last thing I'm going to say is I don't recall calling anyone a cheater. For you Mr. Warren you always take it upon yourself to d up when someone makes a comment about the crate late models WHY IS THAT?? On your statement about going down south that my plan that's why I'm doing this not to run Delmar every week I will say I respect the fact of you winning 3 championship's Mr. Warren but don't you think you want to challenge yourself or see what that lazer really can do. I'm curious.... we all know you can win here locally we have to see that every time you walk around with your 3 time champ jacket. If you have a problem with me come visit me in the pit's and introduce yourself face to face I would love to know the little things I need to be doing to give me your winning edge. Mr. Reed I'm not sure of your age so I will keep it short you are a good driver from what I've seen and I'm sure you have been teched in the past but how bout this year with the purchase of a knowed cheater car..... that one a mess of race's then got teched a didn't win the rest of the year. ONCE AGAIN YOU GUY'S CHOSE TO COMMENT ON STRICTLY AND OBSERVATION THAT I'VE NOTICED BECAUSE OF ME NOT BEING EXPERIENCED IN THIS AND ALL... THE TRACKS GOING TO BE HEAVY AND WE RUN 1ST THIS WEEK NOT SLICK LET'S SEE WHO'S IN THE 20'S I'M SURE THERE WILL BE A FEW.....
It never fails, someone spends alot of money (from ogbracin "Also mr boobs or who ever you are I can assure you it's not the money because I have plenty of that in my car,) and think they can win races immediately. I have been in several forms of racing over the past 30 + years and the same thing happens every time. Most of the time these racers will disapear within a year or two as they eventually discover money won't buy them victories. Ogbracin, do yourself a favor and stop complaining and start working on your HIGH DOLLAR RACE CAR to make it more competitive.
ok ptown 20 apparentley you never had any succes or money sorrry you are another cry baby driver it takes alot of money to race anything as well as nohow and if you don't spend money you will be like the other rear runners every week ...... spend it or ride in the back...the best equip and the time you put in it. and the no how pays off in the shop.. but it won't happen with out a lot of money ....go to the slide for 5 its cheap...have fun...i can tell you this as well if you go buy a gokart tonight to race delmar tomorrow night and try to win against the best there you will spend 3 to 6 grand easy ...and probabley not win it all cost alot of money $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$spend more because joe and matt and a few others are rockets for sure they put the time and money out every week (magic word)( time in the shop)...
yes we did buy the car that got caught cheating and the motor was taken and charlie has it now but im pretty sure that the 14w did win again after that. it takes time to get used to what setup is best for you my first year i felt the same way like i didnt have the power that the others had but now that i have the car to where i like it i realize it takes alot of hard work and you have to try different things and find something that both you and your car like. it just gets old when people try to take the fun out of the sport and start threads about others cheating all the time.
gotboobs, reread my post! All I was saying is that when someone spends a lot of money and doesn't win immediately they start complaining about everyone else cheating. In no way did I say it does not require a lot of money to race. As far as my successes in racing and the amount of money I have spent over 30+ years I'm sure you could retire and I don't know how old you are. I am not crying just tired of ogbracin always on here complaining about the top racers cheatiing.
if your a good driver, you spend alot of time in the shop, and you know what needs to be done to your car to run up front. your a cheater. Am i right?? in all honesty say this say that this kind of talk will never end. and you know where the people that are complaining are running.
ogbracin...instead of getting on here calling people cheaters because u dont run in the front maybe u should not say anything at all and get ur seat time in.its clear u have a good car because everyone saw what another driver with the seat time can do in ur car and u have a fast car.its u holding ur car back from the front. it will come in time but u cant expect to go out and win ur first year.maybe 5yrs ago when the class was new but not now with the experience that is out there.from what i have learned from this message board is to ignore whats being said and to not get on here calling people cheaters.even if someone brings u out on this board ignore it and say nothing.people get over it faster and forget about u if nothing is said.things that are said on here will make there way to the track and thats the last thing anybody wants.the hill situation was a bad deal for bobby and ur car but the best thing is to brush it off as a racing thing and move on and forget about it and let it be.karma will make its way back to him if it was done on purpose.
Come on and run the FASTRAK series. You think your lap times are 1 sec off the SLM times. These guys are running times within a 10th or so of any SLM on any track or surface. What makes it bad is once they get done having their motors built by "authorized rebuilders" and all the trick $5000 carbs, $1300 headers, wickedly modified exotic ignitions, specialized trannies, revalved shocks, etc etc etc. They could be running a SLM for probably about the same money. Just don't get caught cheating, the penalties are severe for the driver, owner, and engine builder.
I think personally Charlie should for Pete's sake get rid of those boring little modlites. Leave them to Middleford. Instead run a "stock" class for beginers. You know something the average guy could afford to race. V8 pure stocks as they are called most of the time. Like the old Thundercars from G'town, except without all of the cheating.
I see Bridgeport has finally put on there schedule that they are running CLM's this Saturday night. I'm surprised they haven't been on here to advertise it? Wonder if anyone not running for points at Delmar will head up there?