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Post by ONLOOKER on Oct 26, 2009 16:22:24 GMT -5
GREAT RACING OVER ALL, BUT THE MODLITE PRO CLASS HAD A INTERESTING DEAL. WHY IS IT THAT WHEN THE 22 SHOWS UP THERE IS ALWAYS A PROBLEM, I GUESS THEY THINK THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT NO BIG DEAL, THATS RIGHT THEY ARE ON WALTS TEAM AND THEY ARE THE ONES THAT HAS RUINED THE MODLITE CLASS @ MIDDLEFORD AND THAT IS ASHAME. THEY JUST NEED TO GO PLAY @ THE MOTOCROSS TRACK IN EASTON.THE TRACK IS A BETTER PLACE WITH OUT THEM. ANYONE KNOWS WHY THE COPS SHOWED UP MUST HAD SOMTHING GO WRONG IN THE PITS.
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Post by love racing on Oct 26, 2009 16:58:29 GMT -5
ONLOOKER I am interested in what prescription the doctor is using for your glasses. Please tell me how the 22 is to blame for what happend in the pro class? I was sitting in the stands and had a birds eye view. I seen nothing wrong during the race. Some bumping and rubbing ( to be expected ,it is called racing) Very competitive class with alot of great talent. I can only offer my opinion on why the cops were called. No matter where you are or whose property you are on , you answer to the law when you maliciously attempt to cause destruction to someone elses property or person. What did you see take place after the checkered flag was thrown? Who got DQ"d? I will give you one guess and a clue......It was not the 22.
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Post by FORREALRACER on Oct 26, 2009 18:13:24 GMT -5
WOW- anyone who get's on this board and defends any actions of the 15 in the ProClass has NO CLASS just like that driver. People really have been blinded by a bad bolt of Lightning to blame this on the 22 or anyone else.
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Post by Mmmmm on Oct 26, 2009 19:22:14 GMT -5
These 2 have been going after each other for three years don't know why. BUT jimmy Wills defiantly took out Rich Wilson and if he says he didn't he's a lie and another thing I am tired of hering Jimmy Wills is cheating(last year they keep ed saying Jimmy was cheating and Rich had faster lap times by a couple of tenths) there is one thing I can say if James McKinney says that motor is legal it is. I believe that James is a strait shooter and will NOT lie and he is willing to help anyone that needs it if you ask him .Whether its a PRO or Lightning or any other make of car he just likes racing and that is my opinion on the situation
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Post by whatever on Oct 26, 2009 20:07:06 GMT -5
MMMmm---are you serious. Everyone could see that the 15 pushed the 22 down on the back stretch and when the 22 hit the brakes their bumpers hooked. Why don't you ask your straight shooter friend and see what he says.
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Post by justwannawatch on Oct 26, 2009 20:33:50 GMT -5
What 15 did was inexcusable and stupid.period. I remember watching 22 last year and year before and he was never called out on anything he ever did, no matter how bad. Read back a few posts from last year, this is the smart a$$ kid who told off and shoved an official after walking up to the tower and throwing his arms up at them.Walt created this monster by never punishing him so he knew he could do anything he wanted at that track and the only thing that would have been funnier is if this had happened to the 1 car {Walts car} instead of 15.
As far as cops, I heard that they laughed when they were told that it happened ON THE TRACK and that they can't do anything about it. when did we start calling 911 because our car got hit on the track? Unbelievable.
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Post by whathappened on Oct 26, 2009 20:48:09 GMT -5
What happened to Kevin McKinney? why did he get DQ?
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Post by Juswannawatch on Oct 26, 2009 21:11:58 GMT -5
The 15 car's actions were unquestionably stupid. People should race hard and do this to have fun. Just a cople of bad apples after a race doing stupid stuff ruins for everyone. But we all know nothing will happen to the 15. The new owner doesn't want to lose that sponsorship in 2 weeks. Do anything bad to that group and the ringleader throws a fit. heck get busted for cheating at Delmar with a crazy built 1281 and worked heads and still nothing will happen. Not even an apology to anyone or his customers.
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Post by concerned on Oct 26, 2009 21:20:52 GMT -5
Why did somany cars pull in during the race. The 93, then the 22, then the other 93? The track looked smooth -just wondering what happened?
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Post by what on Oct 26, 2009 22:29:40 GMT -5
The 15 car's actions were unquestionably stupid. People should race hard and do this to have fun. Just a cople of bad apples after a race doing stupid stuff ruins for everyone. But we all know nothing will happen to the 15. The new owner doesn't want to lose that sponsorship in 2 weeks. Do anything bad to that group and the ringleader throws a fit. heck get busted for cheating at Delmar with a crazy built 1281 and worked heads and still nothing will happen. Not even an apology to anyone or his customers. Nothing will happen to 15? Didn't he get DQ? |
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Post by kmck on Oct 26, 2009 22:46:20 GMT -5
The reason it is listed as a dq is because i didnt scale after the Pro race. the ones killing this class are the people on here bad mouthing people who do nothing wrong. and the conflict between a pro and a lightning chassis and there drivers. i cant comment on the contact made in the feature race because i was on the track. but what i will say is in the heat race the 22 was punted from behind by the 15, which the initial contact i dont mind because they were checking up for contact with cars in front of them. it was the fact he kept his foot in the accelerator and tried to drive him till he flipped. all caught on video!!!! i have no problem with anyone who drives a lightning car just because they are in a lightning. its only the one low class driver that happens to be in one. he countless times has been in others pits screaming and yelling at other people when there was minimal contact. which is fueling the conflicts as well. as a matter of fact i like the lightning car,i drove one for a few years, it is competitive wherever it goes. delaware boys kick ass whenever we travel! there has been alot of nuts going on between lightning and pro cars and truthfully it needs to stop. we were all once friends. if a pro wins at a local level it isnt gonna sell any more cars than if it lost that one race. they are both good cars. they are very very similar in design. i no who i can race wheel to wheel with and who i cant. if contact is made 99% of the time it will not be intentional. its short track racing and the tension is so high between chassis builders it has brought conflict between individuals. the 22 of jimmy wills is prob one of the most talented young drivers in delaware. he is young and has made some mistakes and has done things he shouldnt have at times but lets think about where you were at his age. lets back off and race like we are out there to have fun because we are all losing money in the racing business. the only way to make a small fortune in racing is to start with a big fortune. once again lets support our local track so we can have a place to race!
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Post by kmck on Oct 26, 2009 22:47:23 GMT -5
Kevin Mckinney
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Post by hmmm on Oct 26, 2009 23:29:36 GMT -5
seems funny how crutchfield delivered a $5500 motor to the track to the wills hmmm ant a stock motor vavles werent stock either. And its pretty funny how when they got the motor they made sure people knew it was an illegal motor to run in a STOCK class but once someone points it out WALT changes some rules around to make it legal. There is so many people after to take the 22 out i have heard it myself around the race track. A kid with talent thats a good one maybe someone needs to figure out what talent really is seems to everyone i have talked to the only way he can win if he takes someone out. I have seen it done to the 15, 93, 21 and a couple other LIGHTNING cars but when they get around there own butt buddy group you wont seem them so much as touch someone else. Yea the 15 might turn faster lap times which is great but its only because he can drive and got a good set up cause its ovious the 22 has more motor than anyone. When that in group ant around there great racing takes place but the only reason that selected few show up is to destroy modlites period. Watch out the state police are gonna show up for reckless driving on a race track how stupid can you be to call the cops for what happened on the race track takes a real smart talented person to do that.
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Post by hmmm Laughing on Oct 26, 2009 23:50:42 GMT -5
HMMM. DON'T BRING UP THE 22 AND ACCUSE HIM OF CHEATING AND USE LIGHTNING IN THE SAME SENTENCE. THERE IS AN EASY RESPONSE. HAS THE 22 EVER FAILED ANY TYPE OF TECH BY ANY TRACK INCLUDING DE INTERNATIONAL, DMP, MIDDLEFORD, EAST BAY? YOU KNOW THE ANSWER IS NO!!! NOW LETS ASK THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT YOU. WHO HAS BEEN CAUGHT CHEATING RED HANDED? WHO TRIED TO PLAY IT OFF LIKE IT WAS AN EBAY MISTAKE ON THE ZX-12 HEAD WHEN IT WAS REALLY BORED. AND CAMS? DO YOU REALLY WANT TO GO THERE? SORRY, YOU WILL NEVER EVER EVER WIN THAT ARGUMENT NOMATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU POST IT WITH DIFFERENT NAMES. THE 22 IS BY FAR THE MOST TECHED CAR IN MODLITES IN THE LAST 2 YEARS. CALL HIM A CHEATER IF YOU WANT BUT YOU WILL NEVER HAVE ANY PROOF, JUST AN OPINION. WHO IN DELAWARE DO WE HAVE PROOF ABOUT? AGAIN OLD NEWS WITH SAME COMPLAINT!
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Post by YEA RIGHT on Oct 27, 2009 7:11:38 GMT -5
I THOUGHT THAT THE PRO CLASS WAS A STOCK CLASS WHAT BLOWS MY MIND IS IF IT IS STOCK THEN HOW COME WHEN 22 WAS TECH IT HAD STIANLESS STEEL VALVES IN THE MOTOR. FACTORY MOTORS ONLY HAVE TITANIUM VALVES, BUT I QUESS WHEN WALT WAS INVOLVED HE CHANGED THINGS AROUND TO SUIT CERTAIN PEOPLE.
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Post by Mmmm on Oct 27, 2009 8:00:29 GMT -5
MMMmm---are you serious. Everyone could see that the 15 pushed the 22 down on the back stretch and when the 22 hit the brakes their bumpers hooked. Why don't you ask your straight shooter friend and see what he says. I don't care who they are or what car they drive both of these guys are stupid and better knock it off . Yes the 15 did move down some to block the line however I seriously doubt he thought anybody was that close because when he moved down he almost spun his self if he was the leader how did he know it was Jimmy ? It could have been anybody . But when they drove into turn 3 Jimmy INTENTIONALLY ran into Rich and the results of that showed up in the " TUSA " race didn't it with the right front damage that forced him out . Jimmy is good and Rich is good Jimmy didn't have to run into him he can pass clean maybe just a couple of laps more it would have been exciting to watch instead of everybody getting mad I have been watching Jimmy the last 2 years he has a temper of a 2 year old anymore on the track its not impressing anyone . I know Jimmy better than Rich. I only talked to Rich 1 time ever but what ever problem these 2 have better quit its DANGEROUS and CHILDISH somebody has to be the bigger man here WHO IS IT GONNA BE ? and as far as the straight shooter I said " JAMES McKinney I believe is a straight shooter " NOT Rich . BOTH should be thrown out for three races next year if they cant stop their self. The track better do something because whats going on their is NOT racing . |
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Post by 1074 on Oct 27, 2009 8:07:48 GMT -5
What happened to Kevin McKinney? why did he get DQ? Thought he had a 1074 !or did that blow up ? This class is supposed to be stock 1000 but it was also interesting to see after points are over they are teching . What the heck is that ? Mike Stratton changed his air cleaner guess they had the heads up on the teching . |
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Post by iagree on Oct 27, 2009 11:26:50 GMT -5
The teching at DMP was always a joke and everyone out there knew it. Not sure about the teching at middleford but I do know that walt shouldn't be in there helping with it. What the 15 driver did after the race was over was just plain stupid, not call 911 stupid, but the kind of stupid that only hurts yourself stupid. The Wills kid has been throwing temper tantrums for over two years out there and has even done it on the track more than once, with NO PUNISHMENT! He has been allowed to get away with it for so long (thanks to Walt) but when somethiing happens to him, they call 911. The time he shoved an officeal on the track, I don't remember 911 being called. You just cant defend the actions that driver 15 displayed after the race, but its hard to see the Wills kid as a victim after watching him for the past few years. Kevin said he was one of the most talented drivers in DE, he's right, but when you see him act like he always does, it just takes the fun out of watching him. and he has done just as much screaming and yelling as anyone else and just because he is young doesnt make it okay.Kevin also said that we can't judge all the lightning drivers based on one of them and he is right. We also shouldn't judge all the pro drivers based on Wills either.
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Post by Iagree2 on Oct 27, 2009 11:41:30 GMT -5
I agree- you are right on many points- but let's be serious--the wills kid thru a tantram in the infield one time after 1 race over a year ago. Do you seen anyone associated with them go after someone yelling and screaming after a race? The 15 does it every week! that guy is never happy after a race- last week it was the evans boy he was after, then previously wills again. It's ok and rubbin is racing when he does the rubbin, but not ok when he receives any contact. From the pit stands I watched Mr Wills and Mr Wilson talk after the heat- there was no yelling. So why after the feature? As for calling the cops i agree- whats on track is on track, but I also heard from Paige after the race and they didnt know who called the cops. I am sure the 911 dispatcher and the track know who called. ............bottom line- this crap has to stop. race hard, race for fun and if you can't handle - don't race- but getting mad after the race on the track or off is stupid and only one person has set that pattern.
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Post by i agree3 on Oct 27, 2009 13:43:53 GMT -5
yea that would be the 22 & walt remove them from the picture and it is a enjoyable time for everbody
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Post by i have questions on Oct 27, 2009 16:49:56 GMT -5
1.who said the wills paid 5500.00 for that motor
2.why Ed Crutchfield come to track to deliver motor and not a location away from track
3.i spoke to mr Wills today, the motor in the 22 can be bought for3500.00 anytime any day, why so cheap
4.i heard the motor in the 1 car can be bought for the same price anytime, why so cheap
5.who told who that the 22 had stainless valves?
6.which is better stainless or titanium?
7.when did straton change air filters?
8.who started the war between lighting and pro
9.i thought that both car styles were ALL built in felton de. by pro chassis?
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Post by getoverit on Oct 27, 2009 18:38:13 GMT -5
There is some bad blood between them, both are hot headed and have the tempers of a 5 year old when they can't have their happy meal toy.
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Post by yougotit on Oct 27, 2009 19:32:45 GMT -5
You got it!!!
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Post by justwannawatch2 on Oct 27, 2009 19:35:08 GMT -5
Hey getoverit, your post has rung true the most here. neither one of these drivers deserve to be defended.
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Post by Guest again on Oct 27, 2009 20:37:46 GMT -5
The McKinney deal isn't hard to figure out and that is the car should've never been on the track in a stock 1000 class and has never run in the pro class since the start of it last year ! What he did was intentional and he suceeded. He stole that race from car #19 and handed over to his team mate after his so called malfunctions on the track on the last lap how convenient. I have heard about the stainless valves in the 22w and the 1 as well and know that titainium valves are whats in stock motor. also the thickness of the head gasket was in question as well. If these type of motors are what they want to run then put on 60lbs and run with the equal to the 1074's ! And also there are way too many questionable and unconsistent calls being made on the track during caution flags on who stays in there spots and who goes to the back. I just hope that Paige and Scott gets to the bottom of the entire situation and stops all the BS going on at the track! If things dont get better the track will never survive!
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Post by love racing on Oct 28, 2009 12:36:08 GMT -5
Can someone that has knowledge of(not rumor as most of this bs is) tell me when the 22 was teched? Who seen the stainless steel valves? Other than running across the scales there has been no tech this year. Ed Cole, you are the tech man. Did you tech the 22? Was there stainless steel valves? I'm thinking no. The 22 was not DQ'd. Ed Cole you are a man of character please respond.
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Post by DMP SUPPORTER on Oct 28, 2009 13:18:06 GMT -5
Wow what alot of bullnuts to read on here. The most concerning of all is safety. After reading all the threads it appears to me that one thing everyone agrees on is that the track officials do nothing when situations occur that show poor sportsman like conduct and or jeopardizes the safety of others. Between now and Friday night I ask that all of you that are concerned about all the situations that have been occuring at the track recently to call Tommy, Paige and Scott and ask them two questions....
What happened to the two that used the gentlemans face as a punching bag the other week? Were they banned or were they allowed to come back? What actions were taken against the 15 for his incident on the track Sunday night? Then ask yourself is this track safe to bring my family and have my family members run here? Tommy, Paige and Scott enough is enough. Start with these two situations make the call that needs to be done and set an example for the next two races and for next year before someone really gets hurt. By doing nothing you are allowing this behavior to continue.
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Post by tech on Oct 28, 2009 13:31:36 GMT -5
One thing for sure they only teched once all points season and now when points are over they want to tech what a joke that place is something else I was SURPRIZED they teched I could not believe it I just can't figure out why they teched this week unless it was because somebody was complaining that jimmy was cheating so they teched all the winners but hey let's face it teching when the points are over is pointless .not that it is a big deal but Mike Stratton has been running an illegal air cleaner in the STOCK pro class until Sunday night I wish somebody will say why he changed it that night and all of the sudden they teched that night??? and they say nothing is going on between the tech and pro cars that's hard to sell !!!
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Post by getoverit on Oct 28, 2009 14:46:23 GMT -5
DMPSUPPORTER you're exactly right, but Personally i don't think people that are concerned need to call Paige, Scott, or Tommy they see what goes on there. they saw the cops show up last week and the fight that happened. But this is the way they choose to run the track, it says alot on how much they think of the fans and drivers. they don't care about us!!!! just make sure your cash is green when you get to the pay stand, that's all that concerns them. "sorry i had some haterade today but that's the way i feel"it's going to take someone getting seriously hurt before they ever address anything. if it was up to me the drivers that got fighting 2 weeks ago..... gone for a this year and next season maybe even a LIFE ban fighting would be automatic suspension of some kind, and Wilson would not race the rest of this year, and would have some kind of probation for a good part of next year. if the drivers would start showing some kind of respect toward one another there wouldn't be any of the moronic behavior going on. show some class on the tack ladies and gentlemen, or maybe its better to say "boys and girls".
just a little personal vent sorry of it rubs anyone the wrong way. Good luck to all drivers this week, be safe.
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Post by changingtide on Oct 28, 2009 15:08:12 GMT -5
Get over it...good post...the drivers have to step up - and realize no one is racing for $1million each night. The Pro class pays $0.
Also, take it a step futher and quit the finger pointing and cheating accusations. As for the Pro class moving away from stock motors- go back to 9/4/09. This was the night the tracked moved away from old rules and allowed the 93 car to run the Pro class with a 2008 built gsxr1000- not stock...where are all the posts crying foul that night. OOps none...I guess we know who is using this board to accuse others.
As far as cheating goes- we hear accusations, I have an idea who is behind most of these posts. I would say- who in DE is a known cheater? Who has been caught officially? Let's make sure they never forget and never do it again.
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