604 Haters

[balistikmissle]

I hope after Bridgeport everybody realizes there is not that big of an advantage with the 604 over the 602. After only being able to finish 5th out of the 7 cars still running they were still light at the scales. For everybody that did not come because of it, I feel sorry for you it was some good racing.

I only hope you will soon allow a fair rules package for the 604 as GM has plans to discontinue the 602. More on that subject should be out after the Fastrak meetings in December.

That is another thing, with Georgetown and Bridgeport looking to start a class, why dont we try to get Fastrak involved in this area. For all the money that GM and Goodyear pump into this sport, why shouldn't we get some of it. I wouldn't mind racing for a $5,000 regional championship between Georgetown and Bridgeport. Along with the chance of racing in their $50,000 to win Grand National Championship. You keep on racing with the DIS rules package and then Charlie still dictates how you race! Also we adjust the Fastrak rules to suit us if need be.

SAY SOMETHING NOW BEFORE THE SEASON RULES ARE MADE FOR NEXT YEAR OT FOREVER LOSE YOUR CHANCE!!!

Anybody wanting to know more can call me: Eric Welch
302-531-5262

[rdadds38latemodel]

I think that Bridgeport was a terrible showing for this class. I do not worry about anyone elses equipment. It does not bother me if someone has a bigger motor, wrong tires, box or chip work. Setting up my car and making it as fast as i can is where my attention is, and it usually works for me. When i find my self pointing fingers is usually when i loose my set up. So what i am trying to say is that everyone who complains about the 604 should stop worring about everyone else and continue to work on there setup. That is what works for me.
Now i disagree with any rule forcing the 602 owners to have to change to the 604 motor. The price of the 604 motor is not even comperable for the 45 more HP. I believe the the 602 is $3200 and the 604 is $6200. That is not worth the extra cost for 45HP. The 604 motor was not strong at 6000 yesterday! GM is the one making the money by wanting to go to the 604. It all about generating income for them. I vote no for the 604 and Yes to keeping weight on the cars with the 604 and yes to the fast track program. Lets contact them and start asking them for sanctioning, I think with the car count they in the lower deleware area they would consider it.
Russell Dadds

[racer63]

I don't think the 100lb break given by FASTRAK or Nesmith is enough. I would like to see 150lbs. I would be all for FASTRAK sanctioning. That will never happen at DIS I don't think. I'm hearing that Potomac will have a new promoter next year and the people who were responsible for getting the few crate races this year will be in charge of running the place. I know they are looking at more next year. Eric, you may want to give Denise a call. I can tell you one thing that needs to be done at DIS is to start doing something about all the crashing. I know I'm far from perfect but I get run into by the same people all the time and nothing is done.

Also good job Mike Williams on your win in NJ!!

[racer63]

After looking at the FASTRAK rules I see it is 150lbs. I thought they lowered the weight for the 604. In any event it is very hard to get a car with a 602 down that low. If it was 2250 after the race that is one thing. Alowing for fuel burn off takes it lower and it's hard to get that low and get percentages close. I tried it at Potomac in August for the SMART series touring race. I had the weight at like 2240 to start but the car would not roll due to no weight up high. I figured the only chance we had to qualify against all the built LLM motors was to get it that low.

[brentyjames]

what I don't think you understand about fastrak or stormpay is that if you feel you are running in the back now because of equipment then you are going to be left in the dust when it comes to a fastrak or stormpay race. And you say you want a fastrak or stormpay 5k race to come here. 90% of the people wont make the field because it will be the same thing as when WOO comes here and looks what happens to a lot of the local drivers. Also you can say what you want about set up etc but take 2 drivers that are the exact same. Put one in a car with better shocks, better birdcages,better headers,better carb. And what are you going to have happen? Also you need someone that would actually tech because from what I understand in a national and regional event if you finish either in the top 5 or 10 your motor goes home with you in a box.

And also do you really think DIS is going to take on fastrak when he puts his own seals on the motors and wont let outside motors run? And do you think they are going to loose there tire deal by switching to goodyears?

Also as far as getting the weight down it just all depends on what kind of car you have and what parts are bolted on it because I know we have a ton of lead on our car for dis.

For the people who think that going with fastrak rules is going to save them money and they will be more competitive are going to be crazy because you will pay 4 or 5 times more a corner for decent shocks and I believe those motors can be blueprinted if you run fastrak.
Also everyone already b****** about the cheating with the boxes,motors, etc. So now your just going to have a motor that makes more power of the box then a 602 come in and get done and have even more power.

Also as far as being crashed that is going to happen everywhere in every form of racing. Your going to have it no matter what rules you make or how many times you slap somebody on the wrist.

BTW I don't really care what happens either way but I am mentioning somethings that I think people have left behind because whatever it is we will have to conform to it and if we dont we will obvisouly have to run somewhere else.

[fatfrank]

After watching that crate class at DIS I would suggest running heat races. Only 6 to 8 cars per heat. 6 to 8 lap per heat race. Start only 18 cars. Way too many cars start that race. Too many new guys. With the smaller heat races they can practice more. Not as congested. They can practice passing also. The newer drivers can get the feel for their car. Much safer and cost the drivers less on stupid crash repairs. Just an idea.

[brentyjames]

I also agree on heat races thats a lot of time and $ for 18 laps a night

[rdadds38latemodel]

Fast track would bring in alot better drivers, It would be a better race for the fans with alot less cautions and accidents. Mabe we just need a B main for those who want to be involved in the wreckfest.

[balistikmissle]

I dont even know where to start after reading all this!

1. I dont think we are going to bring in any drivers, for the most part it will be the same people.

2. There will be no $5,000 to win regional race, maybe $1,000. The $5,000 is a regional points championship across maybe 8 or 10 races. Hopefully if we can get this going we can have $5,000 to win race in the future.

3. I dont think we even need to worry about DIS! We all know Charlie's Track-Charlie's Rules!!! He wont change.

4. I have been to numerous Fastrak races and have only seen one motor go home in a box and that was at the $10,000 to win race at Wythe Raceway.

5. I think a more fair weight rule would be 2300-602 and 2450-604. At 2550 for a 604 is really an unsafe weight. As that is alot of lead on the car and the cars aren't built to run at the weight.

6. For the seals GM is working on a new program. Gm will no longer be issueing any seals for rebuilding, they will give you a $3,000 core credit for your old motor on the purchase of a new one. The $6,200 price tag on a 604 is a little high. City Chevrolet in Charlotte sells them at $5,100 with a $100 shipping fee. So now when you trade in your old motor you will need $2,200 for a new motor. Also GM has a new 604 that is 430hp.

[racer63]

Anybody that ran Potomac last year or would be thinking about it this year send me an e mail. They have a new promotor. The Hollidges are now running the track and are looking for input on rules for next years crate class. They are looking at as many as 12 shows. My e mail is [e-mail] or you can just call Denise at the track. She wanted me to get some input from some of the DIS guys about there views on letting the 604's run and the 602's getting the weight breaks like FASTRAK alows. (sp?) They want to get rules out ASAP to give more guys over here time to decide what they want to do.

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