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Post by August 29 2007 on Aug 30, 2007 10:20:45 GMT -5
Okay, I'm just gonna say it, what was going on with the Jr 1 kart races last night? Buck said at the drivers meeting that THERE WOULD BE NO BUMPING OR ROUGH DRIVING OR YOU'LL BE PUT OUT!!! I believed him, but he never followed through with it. How many cautions did that race have? Not one driver was put out and you can't tell me that some of them weren't to blame. My kid was to race in the very next race and we thought it would never get over with. As soon as that race started, a kid was slammed and we thought hurt bad, luckily he wasn't, but just his kart. Everyone was wondering why no one was put out, then over and over again, wrecks, slamming, and no one put out. If my kid were racing in Jr 1, I would have been pretty upset.
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Post by crazyforkarting74 on Aug 31, 2007 7:17:45 GMT -5
Since you brought it up when we first started coming to DMP I really enjoyed the fact that every racer was treated fairly no favoritism like at other tracks. Well that did not last long, maybe its not favoritism but consistency sometimes I wonder if the officials are watching the same race as the fans. Wesd night the restarts were awful especially in the stock medium class the restart where the leader blatantly put on the brakes with the whole field coming to the green they put the second place guy to the rear, now come on I been watching racing a long time and you cant tell me that the officials were positive that it was the second place guy and what ever happened to giving warnings? I just think that was a messed up call when you have the whole field nose to bumper in the gas except the leader and you punish one driver!! Come on officials get it together you have a wonderful facility and program don't ruin it!!!!
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Post by August 29 2007 on Aug 31, 2007 8:21:11 GMT -5
Yes, I agree. I don't want to jinks DMP, but several of us have started to notice the favoritism too. You'll see one kid be watched like a hulk, but another kid in the same race get away with anything. A couple of races ago, the son of a friend of our was starting in first and the second place driver kept bumping him from behind before the race started(hard enough to make his head keep snatching) to where the first kid started speeding up in the corner just before the green start. Next thing you know, Buck throws the yellow and actually puts the first kid to the back as punishment for jump starting. At this point many people were boo-ing and yelling that it wasn't fair to punish the kid who was being bumped and shoved. At this point, they HAD to put the second kid, who was doing the bumping in the back as well, however, Buck put him in front of the first kid. I don't have to tell you what team this second kid belonged to. If the people hadn't yelled and boo-ed, nothing would have happened to the second kid.
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Post by rw on Aug 31, 2007 20:35:55 GMT -5
h.p. right?
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Post by realbigfan on Sept 1, 2007 2:21:33 GMT -5
I was there wednesday night as well and I agree the Jr1 class was off the hook as far as beating and banging goes .I also found it ironic a certain cart and I am not mentioning any names did not dominate the field as he has done in the past . seems awful fishy to me looks either someone was caught or the rest of the field has caught on and has caught up to them ... lol I love it when the plot thickens
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Post by CHT on Sept 1, 2007 12:00:23 GMT -5
It is fishy now that the motors are sealed and the fuel is to be checked the kart you referred to looks awful average. But lets not throw out the whole Jr 1 class just for one or two karts. I think we just talked about one. and the other is not worth mentioning. I think Walt has done his best to finally level the playing field. Appears to be working!!!!
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Post by acrewcheif420 on Sept 1, 2007 12:45:21 GMT -5
I am getting so sick and tired of hearing we are and have been illegal all year! My son has won state races, races at delmar and races at mardela! We have been pulled down so much that my motors should have zippers on them and I mean a full tear with tech tools downs to rolling the cams, not just checking the restrictor plates and just sticking there finger down the carbs! Anytime anyone would like to check my fuel, my motors or anything else feel free to put up the money and have us checked! Ive run the same stuff all year!!!! We ran the same lap times wednesday night we always do so maybe everyone either got the right setup with the tires and gears or maybe they have something that needs to be looked for in there motors. I could see if we just came out there and won by half a track every once in awhile but we have been consistent everywhere we have gone! He has been racing since he was 6 years old and has a talent for driving but everyone cant give credit for that, it instantly has to be we are cheating and I am tired of it! We won a money race at mardela and at the end of a long hot weekend and both tech men being worn out they asked EVERYONE there if anyone had any problems with anyone and there motors to speak up and NOONE spoke up. If they had we would have been pulled apart but NOONE spoke up. If everyone thinks we were doing wrong then why didnt anyone say anything while they had the chance and it wouldnt have cost them a thing! Maybe we arent the ones that need to be looked at. Thinks about that! I will be the first in line to hope that Walt has the intentions of more intense checking of the motors because I think things are getting out of hand in ALL CLASSES!!
Jeff Weber father of the #20
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Post by CHT on Sept 1, 2007 15:12:18 GMT -5
Jeff, Were you the one in the screaming cheeter two weeks ago in the tech area?
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Post by CHT on Sept 1, 2007 15:14:43 GMT -5
Sorry messed that up. Jeff, Were u the one screaming cheater in the tech area two weeks ago at DMP?
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Post by Kart fan on Sept 1, 2007 15:39:07 GMT -5
I'm not too concerned with the #20 because considering who is doing the teching, I'm sure if there were something to be found, it would have been. The concern I have is when an HP driver, of any class, wins, who does their tech? HP. Am I the only one who finds something wrong with that? Why not make the rule that who ever wins, their own pit crew does the tech check? Isn't that the same thing?
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Post by jam on Sept 1, 2007 16:41:59 GMT -5
John Wright usually techs HP engines
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Post by Chip Larson on Sept 1, 2007 18:25:11 GMT -5
Well I see it is not going to take long for people to pregnant dog and complain. Does anyone think DMP would let the engine builder check his own motor. It is not going to be long and it will be just like Delmar. The #20 Kart wins a race can't everyone just say good job or nice going no you have to say cheater or their cheating. Realy makes a kid feel good to hear that. I don't know who's motor they run but all these engine builders are so close together now if you are not hooked up and your tires right then you are out to lunch. My son runs H.P. Speed Motors and we have friends that even run John Wright, TKS and even Moon Motors and can you believe we are all friends just because we each choose different engine builders none of us care we are friends. If someone is cheating then they will get caught or protest them. Anyone please feel free to protest or have us teched I know Chad Hayes and Joe Morris will not build an illeagle motor just like I know John Wright and Rohn Moon and Higgy will not build ileagle motors either. They all know setup and tires meen everything. Now (favoritism) do you all think Mr Walt, Buck or any of the other officals have a favorite. If you think that and it makes you feel good its your opinion, most people know different. Just remember cheaters will get caught. No one gets away with it for long. Instead of making negative comments why not thank Mr Walt and everyone from DMP for giving us a great place to race. JMO Chip Larson
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Post by realbigfan on Sept 2, 2007 0:58:11 GMT -5
I would like to take this time to thank the management and staff of DMP and say that they do an outstanding job of providing local cart racers a place to compete on a weekly basis. I am sorry if anyone got offended by my post. It amazes me that some of the parents of the race drivers are so tied up in the winning aspect that when they lose they get mad and the child becomes the mature one seen it too many times I am not trying to put negativity on any driver or crew just stating opinion !
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Post by Chip Larson on Sept 2, 2007 5:24:19 GMT -5
Hey Realbigfan, Everyone wants the best for their child and wants them to win and yes it is a shame some might cheat lets hope not for the child more then anything. What do you tell your kid oh you won but you realy didn't. And no offence taken everyone has an opinion and thank GOD we can voice it. I get so tird of comming on here and people bashing H.P. Speed well let me tell you those guys are in the shop almost every night their karts are stripped cleaned and put back together scaled and ready to race. I know how much time the guys spend in the shop. I run H.P. Motors not just because they are near by,we have been good friends for quite sometime. I trust everyone over there to help my son be the best driver he can be and the guys take time with him and have been a great help to his racing. I just keep my mouth shut and learn from them also, they have never steared us wrong. So thats why I get so pissed when people bad mouth them. I watch people show up with dirty karts and dirty tires and wonder why they don't win and when the don't everyone else is cheating. If your going to race you better have alot of time,money and hart to put into it. once again JMO Chip Larson
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Post by acrewchef420 on Sept 2, 2007 9:34:05 GMT -5
No i wasnt the one screaming cheater I mearly asked for the restrictor plate to be held up to the light and then all ?!@# broke lose. Moon power sells a restrictor plate for $50 that has laser cut holes in it that cannot be seen without holding it up in very bright light and also is offset to allow better airflow. There are so many other ways to cheat that most people dont even realize that can be slipped by and never be seen unless a very involved tech is done! Why do you think state and national races have the tech that they do? Dual valve springs, hot cams that show the correct lift but have more duration that can only be found by rolling the cams with a degree wheel, etc. Maybe you should asked the other persons involved who yeld and screamed at me got in my face accusing my child of being 13, me having illegal fuel and a cheater motor! He even paid to have my motor pulled apart but somehow got talked out of it by the staff at DMP. I wish they hadnt so I couldve been found legal! If my son has to win by me doing it illegal then Im gonna find a new sport for us because apparrenlty we both werent any good at this one.
Jeff Weber Father of #20
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Post by 25adams on Sept 3, 2007 11:14:07 GMT -5
Jeff, Don't come on here and run your mouth about how honest you are. From what i understand they did not have to do a very through tech to catch you cheating at the state race. All they had to do was pull the head and see the name wiseco on the piston!!! And there's an old saying You can build one bridge but that don't make you a bridge builder but you cheat once and your a cheater. you cheat once you'll cheat again. As for tech at DMP why do you have to lie? I begged you to get your kart and you declined. no one talked me out of it. Walt said i would had to protest before the feature and they could not make u come. that's the rule I'm fine with that. In-fact your kart was in your trailer locked up while your other kart was still racing, that's weird. Does anyone else out there lock up your trailer while your other kart is sill on the track? Even Walt and Buck agreed something was up with that. I'll agree your son is a good racer but he is fishing in a barrel. His skill level is much more advanced then an 8 year old. I could have left Dillon in pee-wee and he would win every week hands down. Dillon was in his happy year just like Adam. but that would be a joke. We did not come on here and talk about you,you brought us into this. I came to you last week and shook your hand and said whats done is done and you agreed. When Taz asked in tech does anyone want this motor tore down i never said a word did I? So why do you keep this going? Mr. Weber I've had enough of you mouth. The next time i hear Adams or 25 from your mouth I'm going to put my foot in your ass. Please move on to someone else. John Kelly
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Post by rw on Sept 3, 2007 12:50:03 GMT -5
Walt and buck are doing a very good job providing us with the track the do.this track is 100% better then delmar and i will always think it was the best to race at but as far as tech goes that is the number 1 thing i think he needs to work on and has stated that he is working on it. AS far as hp speed u think what you want to think, unless you are a driver under their TEAM, i guarantee you that you are not getting the same.
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Post by jam on Sept 3, 2007 14:04:27 GMT -5
You're right! Sometimes they get better.
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Post by acrewcheif420 on Sept 3, 2007 19:45:06 GMT -5
First of all I have NEVER mentioned any names on here at ANYTIME. Next it was not a state race and the motor that I ran that Friday night was a motor I was looking to bu and was supposed to be legal! I knew nothing of what was in it and if I was flat out cheating I never would have gone to tech and let them find that! If you have any quetsions on that Call Kevin Scott! He felt so bad of what had happened because it was his motor that he had it built back the right way with the correct stuff in it and handed it to me free of charge!!!!!!!!!! The incident I was speaking of as far as being talked out of it was when you put up the money to have me pulled down? I was willing to go get my kart if it was for real thats why I asked Chad Hayes is this going to happen or not and he told me to hold on he just found out of it! My kart or trailer at NO time was ever locked up and I would love to know who told you or anyone that! And yes we did shake hands and said whats done is done and I MEANT IT and I wish you could go back on here and read all the statements that have been made instead of threatening me time after time!!!!!!! I am just tired of being called a cheater when I know what I am running is legal! I appreciate all the comments about Adam and his talent ! I just hope before another year Im either running him in Mod Lites or DMP and US 13 Kart Club has a better teching system for all classes!!!!!!! Im really Tired of all this nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by KADERSHAN on Sept 3, 2007 21:58:18 GMT -5
I've just about had enough of all this...My son is only 10 years old and doesn't deserve to be talked about like this by adults. This talk can be taken elsewhere and not posted here to destroy his confidence or his love for racing. If there is a need to post negative comments by all means bring them to the person y As far as putting a foot in anyones ass I would seriously think about it before attempting to do so and do yourself a favor and really think hard you might want to reconsider. I came here to race not to degrade myself or to label someones child for I've seen enough of that at the baseball park that I left there many times with my blood pressure boling. Needless to say Adam doesn't play baseball and I don't have high blood pressure. If there is a doubt in your mind that anyone is illegal and it's quite obvious that is causing you such tornment there is a simple sollution and that is have their motor completely taken home in a box. And that goes for your motor as well and end alll this before we're no longer welcome here next year.
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Post by 25adams on Sept 4, 2007 17:56:29 GMT -5
Everyone lost the chance to catch anyone cheating when those engines left the track that night. to have anyone tore down now with the heat on is a waste of time. no one is going to be stupid enough to cheat now. So the proof will be in the finishing order the remainder of the season. if everyone runs as well as they usually do and tech legal then that should remove all doubt of that Kart cheating. nothing seems to have changed on our end. And i don't lose any sleep over this. I just want to be left out of this. We were not the ones that started this whole post but i will defend our interest. John Kelly P.S. I am Very confident i can handle myself. Crazy beats karate any day of the week.... you'd better ask around.
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Post by jlm5 on Sept 4, 2007 18:56:33 GMT -5
Agree to disagree and move on.... both of your kids are good at times and both of the parents can be bad at times from my view. You guys keep this up then you are worried about beating each other and the whole time you start getting beat by every other yo out there.... seen it happen many times before and both of your children deserve better. Good luck at the state race...
-jamie
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Post by confused on Sept 6, 2007 9:07:30 GMT -5
I have read this post many times over and over wondering if I had missed something and the same thing keeps entering my mind. If so many were convinced that the #20's father was running him illegal then why wait till the end of the season to bring it up or try to do something about it? DMP is a great facility I hope they keep up the good job!
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Post by JMd3030 on Sept 6, 2007 10:17:39 GMT -5
We have raced against the 20 all year, and I can tell you that he is not cheating. The reason I can say this is that we pull him down the straight away every week, and I know we are legal. It all comes down to experience. The 20 has been driving since he was six. Most of the rest of the kids racing against him have less than two experience. This also explains why he was winning early in the year, as the year has gone by the younger kids have gotten better. I have been around go-kart racing for 25 years, and I can tell all of you this group of kids that are going through JR1 rookie, and JR1 is the best I have seen in a long time. This should make all the parents proud, however we need to realize that with this that there are going to be many different winners. So when someone else wins we should act like adults, and congratulate the winners, and teach our kids how to be good sports. Let me say this, before anybody wants to fire back, WE ( the Darlings) are no saints, and do not claim to be. I have learned allot from the kids this year, as I have watched all the arguing from the parents, and at the end of the night all the kids are together out playing in the infield. So in closing, I want to say congratulation to the 20 for having a great year. I also want to say that all the kids have come along this year, and all the parents should be proud of their efforts. I look forward to all the great racing ahead of us all !!!!!
Jay Darling
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Post by Kartfan2 on Sept 6, 2007 10:43:01 GMT -5
I agree Confused. I'm gonna say it once and for all, HP does not cheat, their too smart to do that, it would have to be a conspiracy that too many people would have to be in on. Fact is, they're just that good and we hate to admit it. They've been in the business for too long and know how to do it the right way. They don't HAVE to cheat. They've got good motors and good drivers and alot of experience. Now, with that said, you hear many people with HP motors defending anyone who even comes close to accusing HP of being illegal, and thats fine, but they have no problem accusing #20. On the Kart club board there is a thread that has 25adams saying to the #18 driver to hold her head up and not let anyone run her out, but he has no problem putting down #20, who is also just a kid. Should he hold his head up too? He accuses #20 of being more advanced, but in that same thread they are defending #18 for having been in the pee-wee class last year and having more experience than some rookies just starting out. So it's okay for one but not okay for the other? This is what is meant by favortism. He says to #18 at the end that he welcomes the competition, oh really? I'm sure that #20 kid feels real welcome by him right? Where are all those people who were on that thread defending HP and #18 now? Isn't this kid just as worthy of defending when he is wrongly accoused? He has won many times and HP has teched him, they know he wasn't cheating, why isn't Mike Wilson here on this thread repremanding the people doing the accusing? Isn't that what he does best? Dirtmod said (So thats why I get so pissed when people bad mouth them. I watch people show up with dirty karts and dirty tires and wonder why they don't win and when the don't everyone else is cheating. If your going to race you better have alot of time,money and hart to put into it. once again JMO Chip Larson) Well, Mr Larson, I agree, but this statement should also cover #20. We've only been racing 2 years now, but I can tell you that I've always seen this #20 kid and his Dad out there working hard. They don't show up with dirty karts and tires, and you can see that they have there hart into it. I'll tell you another thing, I have seen that kid congratulating other kids who win and patting them on the back, this is more than I can say for many other kids at these races. I agree that its great to have a place like this where people can come to vent, Best thing is, it's not being said on the track, hopefully, everyone vents and leaves it here. I'll end with this: Hey #20, keep your head up! Don't let them run you out!
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Post by Chip Larson on Sept 6, 2007 13:54:53 GMT -5
Well kart fan2 you must not have read my post before that one. I was defending the 20. So before you go and jump I disagree read what I said.
The #20 Kart wins a race can't everyone just say good job or nice going no you have to say cheater or their cheating. Really makes a kid feel good to hear that.
I don't know who you are and don't even care. I am glad that as parents you do take the time with your child as racing karts is a great family sport. I have never bad mouthed your son and never will. That is to childish for me. And as far as sticking up for HP Speed you better believe I will. You will stick up for whom you chose, and that is why we live in the USA we are aloud to have different opinions. I wish you and all the kids the best of luck for safe, fun racing season. Thank you, Chip Larson
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Post by Kartfan 2 on Sept 6, 2007 14:43:23 GMT -5
Dirtmod, you're right. didn't realize that it was you who posted the message previous to the one I quoted. Sorry. However, I wasn't saying that you badmouthed anyone, I was just using your quote to make the point to the nay-sayers that these people (#20) aren't the kind of people who show up with dirty cars, instead they put alot of effort into their kart and others turn around and accuse them of cheating. Sorry I didn't make that more clear. I don't know who you are either, but I don't fault you for defending HP, you may have noticed that I did too, my point was that we should defend ALL the kids who are accused when the accusations are unfounded. Just my thoughts. Best of luck to you as well.....
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Post by Chip Larson on Sept 6, 2007 15:41:30 GMT -5
kartfan 2 No need to apologize, it is very easy to get caught up defending someone and yes any child should be defended. I was not pointing the finger at you about dirty tires and karts I was just making a statement. I have been a H.P customer and friend for a long time and the have treated me very well. That is why I will always defend them. like I said everyone has their own opinions just glad we can voice them. Take care Chip Larson
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Post by GottaTech on Sept 8, 2007 11:18:01 GMT -5
Lets all agree to disagree. But there's one thing i think we can all agree on. This batch of drivers coming up are some of the best in a long time. With that said, if D.M.P. and the kart club do a FULL TECH on the top three EVERY WEEK, not just when they feel like it. And call the rules set by the tracks such as three spin, three cut out, and three caution rule. Parents might have alot less to complain about. Just my two cents.
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Post by rw on Sept 8, 2007 11:49:57 GMT -5
AS I SAID BEFORE I DO THINK THAT EVERY WEEK EVERY CLASS SHOULD BE TECHED. NOT BY ENGINE BUILDERS WE NEED A RACE TRACK TECH THAT IS PART OF DMP. I DON'T BELIEVE I SEE JOE GIBBS TECH TEAM TECHING EVERY CAR EVERY WEEK IN NASCAR. OR WHOM EVER. WHEN NEED REAL TECH PEOPLE THAT HAVE NO BIAS.
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